To the Rescue: Sam Savarino


Yes, the announcement is being made at 5:00 in front of the Livery, and we've heard from four separate reliable sources that there is a new owner. No spoilers here, we're keeping his identity under wraps for the time being because we wouldn't want to discourage a single individual from heading over to Jersey Street and joining in the applause when the name is disclosed. Trust us when we say that the building is in good hands. And the new owner is Sam Savarino - our gracious landlord.
One down, several to go. This announcement is monumental from the standpoint that, though this is but one building, it signals a change of direction in the thinking of locals as to the preservation of precious architecture in its relationship to the integrity of a neighborhood. The community can change the course of history, and it's a sure bet that standards will change on the governmental front as a result of this near fiasco.
Members of savethelivery.com, with a heavy dose of Harvey Garrett, are ready to press on in order to see that in the future all inspections violations and reports become an easily accessible, on-line matter of public record.
There are matters to be resolved such as who will be responsible for the dollars spent in stabilizing the structure and what plans may be in store for the livery's future. No matter what, the Livery will become a monument to the dedication of right-minded individuals with a focus on preservation over demolition--and the gift of solidarity.
Stay tuned for updates...

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scooter
Thanks Sam.
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ConniesPaper
Thanks Sam, your risk will be repaid in $ as well as the goodwill of the entire community.
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WilliamZabkaAllStars
OOOH!!! BRO IS ONTO SOMETHING IMPORTANT!!! DON'T WANT TO SPOIL THE SURPRISE!!!
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Get over yourselves. You aren't that important.
Anyone who has either (a) followed the story, (b) cares about the outcome of "Livery-gate" or (c) has half a brain and can operate a computer already knows (via the Buffalo News, Biz First) Savarino has "saved the day."
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Quinn
....and brought to you by the neighbors who hired engineers/architects to show the City the light. Please help the neighbors now pay for those experts at savethelivery.com.
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BuffaloNY
we're keeping his identity under wraps? go to the Buffalo News website and the name is right there. You're acting like you have an inside tip that no one else knows about. Dont tell anybody but his name is Sam Savarino.
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joey
DUHHH, HELLO... ANYBODY HOME IN THERE???? knocking on the door of BR
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JuneBug
I thought he was going to jail?
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STEEL
Damn, more bad news for the tear it all down crowd
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STEEL
Damn, more bad news for the tear it all down crowd
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scooter
Sam's done a good job with most of his properties. It's exciting to have this or for that fact any property in his hands. For a "smal, local" developer....he does an A+ job.
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pgf1948
Does a news scoop matter, or rather that a great building is likely saved?
Bravo!
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BuffaloBloviator
Notice that none of the bricks fell down where ivy was growing?
Everybody keeps telling me that ivy destroys masonry. I don't buy it. I like ivy.
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Tuco
From the savethelivery.com mission tab: "Organize to assist neighbors displaced by this emergency"
Does anyone know if this is even happening? I'd be really pissed if I was displaced from my own home for this long.
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bisonherd
Its wonderful
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bisonherd
Its wonderful
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bisonherd
the more I think of it the more I think this building plays a more crucial picture in the fabric of the westside. This multi-story building rehabbed into apartments serves as a critical piece of evidence for rehabbing other multi-story buildings from Allentown to the south, to Niagara Street & D'Youville to the west and to Buffalo State to the north (it even helps the grant, richmond and connecticut street corridors)
losing it would have continued to tear the westside apart with empty lots and the associated declining property values....
the community standing up for this building sends a message to buffalos big mouth (F-them) slumlords that the community is now willing to fight these parasites and expell them.
my piece of vitrole towards the freudenheims is more directly cynical for in a world where the freudenheims were once the largest lumber yard operators in pre-war germany and fled the nazi's....one would think that they above all others would hold the value of the community fabric dear lest they be expelled once again. Yet no such lesson was learned and arguably because [deleted] buffalo has had to suffer their parasitism upon our historical community landmarks. In an art gallery when asked about the livery stable....the freudenheims simply responded "F-them" Does the community owe any less antipathy towards them...to the freudenheims we say "f-u"....furthermore...we leave a parting message to the freudenheims and their fellow parasitic property owners...."we are watching you"
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dixiechick
Bisonherd, no question that there is a big fat stinking load of blame to be laid at the feet of Freudenheim, but being anti-semitic doesn't seem to fit with your other positive comments about building community. There are other building/business owners in B'flo who can fall into the same category of neglect and disrespect, with different ethnic names. Tossing your vitriolic gas onto the fire in this manner does nothing to build community in B'flo.
And yes, to others, somewhere in this mix there should be compensation to the families that had to evacuate their homes. Now lets build a community bonfire around that concern!
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BADASH
YAY SAVARINO! Thank you for being community-conscious!
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PaulBuffalo
I must agree with dixiechick: there should be no room anywhere for anti-semitic views or derogatory statements toward any group. The livery story is good news. Celebrate the victory and focus on the future.
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Bufago
Saps!
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bisonherd
its not anti-semetic to hold people to a higher standard of behavior
if people can be made to feel guilt and shame because of the treatment of jews in the holocaust and anti-semetism which americans had nothing to do with then its fair to say that people should be aware of the anti-semetism they create when they tell the community to quote "f-them" and when they act as greedy parasites sucking money from the community and the taxpayers through shamefull business practices.
secondly there is absolutely nothing anti-semetic to say that the freudenheims victims of nazi germany should be more sensative to the perceptions of the community lest they be victims of expulsion by yet another community.
third, what are you dixiechick and PaulBuffalo a communist/socialist. Perhaps you would like the soviet union better where they labelled any forbidden expression as a psychological illness and sentenced them to siberia, or forced psych inmates or forced drug therapy BUT IN THIS COUNTRY WE HAVE SOMETHING CALLED FREE SPEECH....AND IF YOU DONT LIKE FREE SPEECH THEN THERE ARE PLENTY OF OTHER COUNTRIES YOU CAN EMIGRATE.
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bisonherd
JEWS ARE NOT A SPECIAL CLASS OF CITIZEN ABOVE CRITICISM
NOR IS ANY OTHER ETHNIC, RACE, GENDER, RELIGIOUS GROUP, POLITICAL AFFILIATION OR SEXUAL ORIENTATION.
Remember something....nyc and dc were targeted because of its high concentration of jews and their dicates of US foreign policy, remember we are in afghanistan and iraq because of the lobbying of american jews, our dollar has collapsed 50% because of the bubble a jew called alan greenspan created over the last 50 years, our manufacturing has been exported because of a globalist jew named milton freidman, lets also not forget that our politicians are saying we dont have enough money for veterans and seniors at the same time we are giving billions in foreign aid to Israel and even now american jews and israel are demanding we invade iran.
Sounds like there is more at work than patriotism to the United States....more like dual patriotism or no patriotism at all to this country and 100% patriotism to Israel BUT SSHHH!!! jews are a special class of citizen and we dont dare raise a question about their political, economic or business actions....because that would be anti-semetic.
BULL! Anti-semetism is about religion! If your a parasite in the community then thats exactly what you are...and you dont deserve a free ride ... free from criticism because your a jew....that kind of two faced double standard feeds anti-semetism....and creates nazis and holocausts.
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dixiechick
Bherd, I LOVE free speech. I Don't love Hate. Especially hate that is focused as an 'us and them' mentality instead of being focused on the particular individual that should be held accountable. I'm all for holding people to a higher standard. That is not anti-semitic, (or anti-itialian, or anti-latin, or anti-polish...get my drift?) That is called morality. (and that word can be considered a loaded term in and of itself! by many)
I do not 'forbid' your expression of opinion. Nor I think, given your love of free speech, should you forbid mine, or PaulBuffalo, with your attack. And yes, there are plenty of other countries I could emigrate to, but my family has been here since the 1600's, and it seems as if we like it here.
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Colin
1. You're crazy.
2. Freedom of speech means that the government can't prohibit you from speaking. It has nothing to do with people calling you out on your craziness.
3. It's very scummy to implicitly threaten someone on the basis of their religion or nationality -- "lest they be victims of expulsion by yet another community."
4. It's scummier still to implicitly regret that someone's family wasn't killed in the Holocaust -- "because the nazis missed the freudenheims buffalo has had to suffer"
5. Jews as "parasites" is a classic motif of antisemitism. You're posts are creepy and unwelcome.
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dixiechick
Well Bherd, I guess we all know exactly where you stand. Thanks for sharing. And by the way, do your homework. Nazis and holocausts and genocides are created by people who want to kill other people because they are 'Not Like Us'. Period.
Now can we get back to supporting the families that were evacuated from their homes? And having a hoorah for the saving of an important historical building that anchors an important historical neighborhood in our fair city?
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PaulBuffalo
Bisonherd, I'm sorry but your views are shameful. You used your opportunity for free speech to engage in hate speech. You could've criticized inaction and neglect but instead you denigrated a race with outrageous diatribe.
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bisonherd
There is no such thing as hate speech. There is only speech that can incite danger such as yelling fire in a theater. Thats it PaulBuffalo.
If you think there is such a thing as hate speech then your some sort of communist. Well Pim Fortyn in the Netherlands paid for free speech with his life because his crticism of Islamic immigration and assimilation and patriotism to dutch values resulted in his death
Same for the dutch cartoon on islam
Even Canada has abandoned free speech. McClains, canadian magazine, is in court because its objective articles were branded as hate speech because they dared to investigate the wrong subject.
its scum bags like you that want to create a special class of speech that exempts certain people and certain topics....if you cant hack it PaulBuffalo then find a country that buys into your hate speech communist censorship....last time I checked...jews were just like any other group in this nation. Turn on the TV or go into the courtroom 90% of the bigmouths on TV and justice are jewish...its kinda hypocritical to say that jews have a right to say anything about everything but no one else can.
If you want to be a special class of citizen above everyone else then try Israel, then you can still live off the US taxpayer and use Israeli apartheid to place yourself in a special rights status above the rights of every non-jew and neighborhing country.
The Freudenheims stated quite clearly in many locations when asked about the livery stable and their response was "F-them". They deserve the bile as human beings and for their morality and for their patriotism and for their civic responsibility to their community....and if your saying that their judaism exempts them from criticism...then your demented. Lets just face facts....greed and neglect arent tenants of judaism...but I know an awful lot of jews that I would rather sell than put a penny into their home and one only has to look at law, politics, business...when something goes wrong with the money...the last name is usually jewish.
Oh and Colin...the Freudenheims have been rebuked by the community. They may not have been run out on a rail but they most certainly are being threatened by the community and the municipality via the lawsuits and the citations and the confiscation of their property. Their person wasnt threatened but their business and their reputation is now widespread condemnation and vitriole. They will never undertake another property transaction without this precedent haunting them. Its not just them but the precendent has been set for all slumlords putting their neglect into the taxpayers liability while they reaped the end profit. THE COMMUNITY HAS REBUKED THE FREUDENHEIMS AND IF YOUR THINKING THAT THE REST OF BUFFALO ISNT LOOKING AT THAT LAST NAME AND MUTTERING TO THEMSELVES ... YUP ... ANOTHER GREEDY JEW.
AND PLEASE DONT TALK TO ME ABOUT BULL LIKE HATE OR DIVERSITY OR WHATEVER...JEWS ARE THE LEAST DIVERSE...MOST EXCLUSIVE...MOST CONFORMIST GROUP AROUND...AND OPEN AN EAR TO LISTEN WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY ABOUT GENTILES....MANY ARE SO SUPERIOR THAT THEY CAN JUSTIFY JUST ABOUT ANYTHING AS LONG AS THEIR NOT A FELLOW JEW...ITS WORSE THAN IF YOUR NOT A JEW THEN YOUR A SEPARATE RACE...SOME TREAT NON-JEWS AS A LOWER SPECIES.
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Einstein
Welcome back CHRIS69.
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al-alo
naaaaaaaaaaaw. that aint CHRIS69. there isnt a word about rewatering canals.
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yukon_jake
it has to be CHRIS69... his CAPS LOCK BUTTON IS BROKEN AGAIN!
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LightoftheMoon
wow, we're really having this conversation?
Paulbuffalo, Dixiechic and Colin, congrats to you for representing the unbiased and logical neighbors of this city. Bisonherd, I am truly shocked and disgusted. What began as something that could've been a valid point MINUS the Jewish reference ended up in a maniacal anti-semitic rant, and really showed your true colors.
The point here is that the Freudenheims are being criticized because of their ACTIONS, not because of their religion, race, sexual preference, eye color or favorite pizza topping. Get it? There is no reason to bring up their religion. No one is saying anyone is immune to criticism--but attacks based on things that have nothing to do with the issue at hand only reveals the attacker as ignorant, biased and hate filled. The fact that you're not ashamed of the things you've spewn here confirms you have no idea what anti-semitism or prejudice actually mean. What a nauseating display.
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stephenjames716
this is great news! thank you mr. savarino! now let's hope that it doesn't take this much hoopla going forward to get these historic buildings saved.
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Colin
What does it say about BRO that these bizarre antisemitic rantings haven't been taken down?
What does it say about BRO readers that they have multiple 3-and-4-star ratings?
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ToughintheStreets
Boooooorrrriing. I read about this in the news already why do I have to read more posts about it? Is there really nothing else going on in this city? Why is there nothing but stories and pictures about buildings and bikes on here the last few weeks/days. Two stories with Savarino in the headline? Is that necessary? C'mon there has got to be something more exciting out there. Can't you profile a company or a person that is doing good things in the community besides building apartments, or saving buildings? Can we please talk about something else?!
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reflip
Sadly, in my 9 years of living throughout WNY, I find offhand anti-semitic comments seem to be commonplace around the region because people seem to simply not know any better. I meet many people here who have never met a Jewish person before.
Bisonherd's comments, however, enter into a level of dangerous anti-semetic paranoid propaganda that should not be socially acceptable anywhere.
So, bisonherd, while you can defend your "right" to say such things all you want, I'm also free to say I think it's ignorant garbage. That's how America works.
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heathersmiles
Don't we all hate everyone who says anything about our own particular group of interest? Be it women, glbt, african-american, jewish, polish, italian, catholic, asian, or martian? We are an overly sensitive society and have started to listen for anything that might be deemed objectionable or controversial. On the other side, we have learned to repress any negative feelings about others, unless they are not in a protected class. This is probably one of the biggest reasons that most TV shows, commercials, books, etc portray white men as incompetent morons who are incapable of living without the help of others. They learn social and basic living skills from women, dancing, rhythm, and how to be cool from african americans, style and grooming from gays, technology and basic knowledge from kids, etc. We determine that certain groups need to be elevated and sometimes that is accompanied by identifying others that need to be taken down a notch, and this is unfortunate for the people who are on the receiving end. I was going to add commentary about a friend's son who killed himself in April and the chilling, yet reveiling, note that he left for everyone, but it is still too raw to discuss. I hope my point was made somewhere in there.
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dixiechick
hey Colin, What it says about BRO is that they believe in freedom of speech and also that the readers will 'police' if you will pardon that expression, the commentary on their own. This is a perfect example of it, and in the process, we have kinda come together as a community because of the ranting of a lunatic.
And heathersmiles, No I don't hate everyone, or even someone who says anything about my own particular groups of interest. I may not like it. I may get mad, I may get raving mad., but I don't hate them. Can I feel hate. Yes. But when it comes to someone making a disparaging remark, I usually know that it comes from ignorance, bigotry, or just plain hate on their part, and I try my darndest not to respond in kind. It just adds Fuel to the fire.
Its human nature to have an 'us and them' mentality. It is when we work to elevate our thinking that we become, as Buber calls it- "I and Thou".
Please accept my sincere regret about your friend's son.
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PaulBuffalo
The various comments above remind me of one of the reasons I left Buffalo: it is a very segregated place in so many ways. While there have been improvements, heavy strains of anti-semitism, racism and homophobia remain in neighborhoods and in businesses. Buffalonians don't talk about this, though. It has never faced its past. It's kept burrowed so no one has to confront it. In this age, there is no reason to not know any better.
I would challenge BRO, the Albright-Knox and the history museum to tackle the various levels of discrimination and segregation in the community. Hate is not the same as a lack of political correctness and if we cannot perceive the difference, then the consequences are dire.
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dixiechick
PaulBuffalo, I hear ya. Really hear ya! Some Buffalonians talk about it, especially when they find out that the friend they are talking to is A B or C. (that is always interesting) Hopefully that will translate into a change, albeit probably a long change a-coming, That is what I'm hoping for. Then folks who feel disenfranchised won't have to move away, but will have a supportive community at their back, and can carry this city, which does have sooo much to offer, to a brighter future. Its happening, step by step. Word by word. Action by action.
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LightoftheMoon
heathersmiles you bring up a good point... and no matter what we are, yes, some comments that may not have been meant derogatively may be taken as such, just because we may be more sensitive to detecting these kinds of things directed at us. It is our job to filter out the harmless comments from the truly disparaging ones, instead of perpetuating the divide. Political correctness has gotten out of control--in some cases. Let's be honest, half the time I don't even know what's the latest acceptable term for a lot of things in our society. It is unfortunate that this original attempt at not offending people has, in turn, become another reason to censor conversation about important topics.
But hyper-political correctness is one thing. Blatant stereotyping is another--especially when displayed in tandem with such hate, paranoia and unfair blame. I could not agree more with PaulBuffalo's comment that "Hate is not the same as a lack of political correctness." That is never acceptable and I am glad there are people on this board who will not let those kinds of comments go unnoticed.
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bisonherd
I could not agree more with PaulBuffalo's comment that "Hate is not the same as a lack of political correctness."
Paul you must either be a San Francisco liberal or a communist because Buffalo is no different than anyplace else in this nation. The biggest difference is that corporations and the media have been forced into political correctness...and thus so has all of culture thats why RAP music is so particular vulgar. Its the only outlet.
The truth is and you better get used to it that there is no such thing has hate, that people descriminate and stereotype everyday from appearance to speech to profession to income. Why you cant even go on a date or meet someone without their first question getting to know you being resume questions....not jokes...not casual questions...but real profile questions.
You think with the big fortune 500 companies in Rochester, that Rochester is different. Rochester just wallpapers it over for corporate reasons. You want to know what makes Buffalo special. Its that people in Buffalo are REAL! People in Buffalo are more midwestern straight forward direct speak their mind kinda people and see those people are the enemies of you politically correct liberal hate speechers because you cant control their speech and you cant control their thoughts.
You know why Tim Russert praised Buffalo so much. He said it was one of the few places in the nation where he could honestly take the pulse of the nation. Where he could tap into what people were feeling and thinking. Why is that? Because people in Buffalo are for the most part mentally and emotionally honest....we speak out minds like midwesterners...which is why some people call Buffalo the first city of the midwest or the first rust belt city.
Give me intellectual and emotional honesty anyday...and I will give you the kumba bankupt San Fran anyday filled with their liberal thought police, hate speech, political correctness and special classes of people otherwise referred to as untouchables.
My neighbors and my family died in Iraq and Afghanistan so I intellectually and emotionally know just who put our nation there and why. I know the real reason they died and maybe before someone else dies you could use alittle intellectual honesty too! Cause its not the jews and the gays and the feminists and all the other protected classes that are fighting and dying....its by and large white, african and hispanic men. The same men that arent going to school anymore, arent marrying anymore, arent being fathers anymore, arent going to college anymore and arent getting those corporate jobs that supported a family anymore....but see thats the problem with hate speech....its not hate speech when its against a non-protected class of people.
Thats why liberalism really is a mental disorder.
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reflip
heathersmiles,
This is not one of those stereotype-based jokes that the hypersensitive, PC thought-police decided to trample all over. There's a big difference between telling jokes about bagels and circumcisions and saying "we're in Iraq because of the Jews." You can be offended by bison's comments without being Jewish. I decided to comment because his argument is based on centuries-old Jewish conspiracy rhetoric, so if you have any sense of history, you know it's not harmless and you wouldn't try to pass it off as such.
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Colin
"What it says about BRO is that they believe in freedom of speech and also that the readers will 'police' if you will pardon that expression, the commentary on their own."
The problem with this is that BRO often polices itself. It's not uncommon to see text deleted from a post for simple profanity. In the past, a whole string of posts were heavily edited because they contained what BRO considered unsubstantiated rumors about a developer. Yet a string of antisemitic (and red-baiting?!) tirades that would make Henry Ford proud is allowed to stand unedited.
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ToughintheStreets
I really wanted to try and stay away from this but I couldn't resist so here goes:
- Bush and congress put us in Afghanistan and Iraq. No one else.
- As a liberal I always thought we were the ones FOR free speech, regardless of its absurdity. No?
- I find it comical that you accuse others of mental disorder.
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Downtownjunkie
I wonder which developer?
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LightoftheMoon
haha! This has to be a joke, right? I mean, I'd be angry except that was the most ridiculous example of horribly backward, unbelievable nonsense I've ever read. Liberal means thought police? "Real" people have to be hate-filled prejudiced morons? Give me a break.
liberalism is, by definition, all about free thinking & open minds--as evidenced by the latin root meaning "free" (Latin root).
Definition: "a. Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; free from bigotry. b. Favoring proposals for reform, open to new ideas for progress, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded."
Thanks for the laugh, though.
p.s. You're so interested in this idea of being protected against criticism, yet you use our military to illustrate this point? Here's some intellectual honesty for you: criticism of the soldiers is the ultimate social taboo--so much so that even criticism directed towards our government or the war itself is interpreted as criticism of the poor people sent there--and "support the troops! support the troops!" is screamed at the first sign of independent thought. Ironic, isn't it? Liberals are not the ones who sent our soldiers to this war, they're the ones fighting to bring them home.
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bisonherd
Really reflip....here is a few quotes for you to digest:
"CBS News national security correspondent David Martin. The trip has been scheduled for some time but U.S. officials say it comes just as the Israelis are mounting a full court press to get the Bush administration to strike Iran's nuclear complex. CBS consultant Michael Oren says Israel doesn't want to wait for a new administration ... Israel's message is simple: If you don't, we will."
"US Politicians Are Obliged to Agree With Israel, Says Jimmy Carter"
"AIPAC is the most powerful of the dozen or so major organizations and think-tanks that comprise the "Israel lobby" in the United States. This influential lobby dictates U.S. Middle East foreign policy."
"The Wiesenthal Center has a long record of reckless propaganda for war. Long before the US invasion of Iraq in March 2003, it had been pressing for an American attack against the Middle East nation, backing its effort with alarmist “Big Lie” claims about the supposed danger posed by the Baghdad regime."
"Israeli billionaire and media mogul Haim Saban is at the top of the list of donors to political campaigns in the US. Fox Network revealed over the weekend that Saban has donated approximately US $13 million to various candidates."
"No other Lobby has the kind of financial power and organizational reach as the Jewish Lobby in eroding our domestic political freedoms or our war-making powers. For those reasons alone, it stands to reason, that we Americans have a necessity to put our fight against Israel and its Lobby at the very top of our political agenda."
"Patrick J. Buchanan
Israel's war, says Bibi [former Israel prime minister "Bibi" Netanyahu] must be sold as America's war. We are thus forewarned. A propaganda campaign, using Israeli agents and their neocon auxiliaries and sympathizers, who stampeded us into war in Iraq, is being prepared to stampede us into war on Iran."
"We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish… An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name Genrikh Yagoda, the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system. Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist."
Truth is that its so easy to ask for sympathy for the holocaust, to use anti-semetism to create a separate class of people protected by political correctness and deflected by anti-semetism without ever looking in the mirror to what jews have really done with their money and power. Its like wall paper. on the outside always play the victim but those on the inside know that what gets projected on the jews comes from their own actions....its not invented out of hate or conspiracy....it originates from the same "f-them" contempt for the community that Freudenheim exhibited at the livery stable accumulated and defended over years, decades and centuries but then isnt life so much easier to justify if the world is only allowed one voice and one victim.
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bisonherd
Really reflip....here is a few quotes for you to digest:
"CBS News national security correspondent David Martin. The trip has been scheduled for some time but U.S. officials say it comes just as the Israelis are mounting a full court press to get the Bush administration to strike Iran's nuclear complex. CBS consultant Michael Oren says Israel doesn't want to wait for a new administration ... Israel's message is simple: If you don't, we will."
"US Politicians Are Obliged to Agree With Israel, Says Jimmy Carter"
"AIPAC is the most powerful of the dozen or so major organizations and think-tanks that comprise the "Israel lobby" in the United States. This influential lobby dictates U.S. Middle East foreign policy."
"The Wiesenthal Center has a long record of reckless propaganda for war. Long before the US invasion of Iraq in March 2003, it had been pressing for an American attack against the Middle East nation, backing its effort with alarmist “Big Lie” claims about the supposed danger posed by the Baghdad regime."
"Israeli billionaire and media mogul Haim Saban is at the top of the list of donors to political campaigns in the US. Fox Network revealed over the weekend that Saban has donated approximately US $13 million to various candidates."
"No other Lobby has the kind of financial power and organizational reach as the Jewish Lobby in eroding our domestic political freedoms or our war-making powers. For those reasons alone, it stands to reason, that we Americans have a necessity to put our fight against Israel and its Lobby at the very top of our political agenda."
"Patrick J. Buchanan
Israel's war, says Bibi [former Israel prime minister "Bibi" Netanyahu] must be sold as America's war. We are thus forewarned. A propaganda campaign, using Israeli agents and their neocon auxiliaries and sympathizers, who stampeded us into war in Iraq, is being prepared to stampede us into war on Iran."
"We mustn't forget that some of greatest murderers of modern times were Jewish… An Israeli student finishes high school without ever hearing the name Genrikh Yagoda, the greatest Jewish murderer of the 20th Century, the GPU's deputy commander and the founder and commander of the NKVD. Yagoda diligently implemented Stalin's collectivization orders and is responsible for the deaths of at least 10 million people. His Jewish deputies established and managed the Gulag system. Many Jews sold their soul to the devil of the Communist revolution and have blood on their hands for eternity. We'll mention just one more: Leonid Reichman, head of the NKVD's special department and the organization's chief interrogator, who was a particularly cruel sadist."
Truth is that its so easy to ask for sympathy for the holocaust, to use anti-semetism to create a separate class of people protected by political correctness and deflected by anti-semetism without ever looking in the mirror to what jews have really done with their money and power. Its like wall paper. on the outside always play the victim but those on the inside know that what gets projected on the jews comes from their own actions....its not invented out of hate or conspiracy....it originates from the same "f-them" contempt for the community that Freudenheim exhibited at the livery stable accumulated and defended over years, decades and centuries but then isnt life so much easier to justify if the world is only allowed one voice and one victim.
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PaulBuffalo
I've heard Bisonherd's variety of comments all too often in Buffalo but they were tolerated because citizens rarely exhibited any sense of outrage about anything, really -- until these last few years. Here, from reading all of these comments against Bisonherd's myopic visions to the anger about the demolition of the livery to the defense of the Peace Bridge neighborhood to the battle against the removal of the bike racks -- something has changed.
As an expat, I have to ask: what's happened to you people? You folks are getting feisty and fighting for what you think is right. I never thought I'd see the day. It's refreshing. Thank you.
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Colin
1. You're crazy.
2. Half of those quotes are unattributed.
3. You're engaged in the oldest trick in the racist book -- listing the crimes of individuals and then attributing them to some supposed fault of their race or religion. Using the same technique on white people -- or Christians -- would find that they're the most pathological group of people in history. But it's not a legitimate thing to do, in either case.
4. Claiming that the Livery collapsing had anything to do with Judaism takes the kind of creative genius possessed by only the craziest and most despicable anti-semites. Congratulations!
5. Your obsession with communism is quaint.
6. Why is this guy still posting here?!
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bisonherd
Colin, thats really the bite isnt it. There is a difference between acting as a religion and acting as a separate and distinct race or ethnicity with the politics therewith
It would have been so easy to simply rebuke Freudenheim as a person and as a business but you had to tap into the judaism the race, judaism the politics, judaism the f-them business practices...
no it doesnt have anything to do with judaism the religion....but judaism the politics of race, the values of separatism from the non-jewish community, the contempt f-them for those poor ignorant non-jews on the westside..that gets a free pass
Isnt that convenient for you...to champion and defend even the mass murderers, the political activists, the pornographers, the illegal sex slave traders, the counter-culture non-conformists, the anti-patriots unless of course their fighting for Israel, the budget deficits except of course if its foreign aid for israel...if their jewish they must be defended...
well sorry, Freudenheim is the scum of the city and he deserves to be rebuked not protected. Do you think one italian stands of for Paladino when he tears something down....no italian defends Paladino with the insect like conformity that jews defend Freudenheim.
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bisonherd
Colin, thats really the bite isnt it. There is a difference between acting as a religion and acting as a separate and distinct race or ethnicity with the politics therewith
It would have been so easy to simply rebuke Freudenheim as a person and as a business but you had to tap into the judaism the race, judaism the politics, judaism the f-them business practices...
no it doesnt have anything to do with judaism the religion....but judaism the politics of race, the values of separatism from the non-jewish community, the contempt f-them for those poor ignorant non-jews on the westside..that gets a free pass
Isnt that convenient for you...to champion and defend even the mass murderers, the political activists, the pornographers, the illegal sex slave traders, the counter-culture non-conformists, the anti-patriots unless of course their fighting for Israel, the budget deficits except of course if its foreign aid for israel...if their jewish they must be defended...
well sorry, Freudenheim is the scum of the city and he deserves to be rebuked not protected. Do you think one italian stands of for Paladino when he tears something down....no italian defends Paladino with the insect like conformity that jews defend Freudenheim.
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Colin
1. It wasn't me who tried to make the man's religion a factor here. That was you.
2. Ummm, I haven't defended any mass murderers. I said that your attempt to link one person's action to an entire category of people was bogus.
3. I don't understand why political activists or non-conformists need defending. But if they did, I would.
4. I imagine lots of Italians (and others) support Paladino when he tears something down. He has plenty of friends.
5. You're getting crazier all the time -- I look forward to seeing how crazy you get!
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bisonherd
but thats really the point that you just dont seem to get
Freudenheim is a jew and he justifies bilking the taxpaying public because the taxpaying public is less than 1% jewish
Freudenheim is a jew and he justifies his dilapidated properties in allentown and the westside because its a non-jewish neighborhood.
Do you think Freudenheim would be treating buildings like this in Amherst where the majority of Buffalo metro jews live?Not on your life.
Do you think if the jewish community asked him about a building in their community that he would look contemptuous and say f-them. Not on your life.
So....admit it..the man you are defending is blatantly contemptuous and immoral and justifies it because he is a jew and those affected by his business practices are not!
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EricOak
Paul, Bisonherd's comments are vile, but they are not representative of Buffalo--far from it. I have heard the same stupidity when I lived in NYC and Toronto. After 20 years in Buffalo, I can't say that it is any more anti-semitic, homophobic or intolerant than the average American city. There are people hurling sweeping and crude distortions everywhere in America; I just wish BRO didn't let this site be a forum for people like Bisonherd.
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Colin
1. How do you know how Freudenheim justifies things to himself? Are you psychic?
2. I haven't done a survey or anything, but I'd bet that there are some Jewish people in the neighborhood around the Livery. How would that fit into your paranoid fantasy?
3. I'm not defending Freudenheim. In fact, I played a small role in the campaign to save the building.
4. You're crazy.
5. This guy has been citing from The Protocols of the Elders of Zion for more than 24 hours now. How long before the people who own and are responsible for this site do something?
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PaulBuffalo
EricOak, thankfully I don't think Bisonherd is typical of Buffalo -- I hope you folks are -- but the city still has a sizable Bisonherd, so to speak. (I spent my youth in Riverside, a neighborhood known for it's intolerance.) Buffalonians have a history of silently putting up with views like these instead of standing up to them; however, I'm seeing that Buffalo has grown a backbone and it's very encouraging. Buffalo must talk about these issues.
I lived in New York City for years and Bisonherd would have to think twice before openly speaking there. I find it fascinating that he has the energy to cough up one offensive statement after another revealing ever more about his personality. At the very least, he's offered Psychology 101 students a free case study.
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EricOak
Paul, Well, that was not my experience in NYC: been to Queens lately? There are "Riversides" in every city. But you should be encouraged; Buffalo really is a diverse and accomodating city.
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Genghis
Hey Bisonherd, you imbecile. Ever heard of Benderson, the developer. He's Jewish. While you might not like the suburbs, he has done more to develop the Buffalo area than a million lazy fat uneducated slobs like yourself. Another thing, look at the cities with the most Jews in them. New York, LA, Boston, etc. They always do well economically. You know why? Because Jews are good for business. The richest person in Texas's history is not some oilman, it's Michael Dell, who founded Dell computers. And guess what, retard? He's a RICH JEWWWW!!!! He has billions of Jew-dollars!!!! But no one in the state wishes he had taken his Jesus-killing self back to Jew York City, because everyone with a half a brain (so this doesn't include you) realizes the economic impact on the state was positive.
So what, there's some 100 year old German Jew who owns real estate in Buffalo he doesn't care about. Has it occurred to you, moron, that he's just part of a general problem there, which is that lots of long-term residents of this place have just given up on the city? Including rich ones who own property. Rather than sit around getting fat, eating your pile of wings, rooting for the Bills who will eventually leave the city like everyone else, why don't you haul your bloated ass off the couch and actually do something to improve your city and not blame anyone who isn't exactly like yourself.
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bfloghost
genghis, ever hear of writing an angry response down & not sending it? Think about it next time as your rant comes across as very whiny and equally absurd, so African-Amer's, Irish, Italians, Germans, etc are not good for business?. Also, you have the audacity to say anything complimentary of Benderson? Holy cow that slimeball has done more irreparable harm to the suburban landscape than any developer I know of.
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bfloghost
genghis, ever hear of writing an angry response down & not sending it? Think about it next time as your rant comes across as very whiny and equally absurd, so African-Amer's, Irish, Italians, Germans, etc are not good for business?. Also, you have the audacity to say anything complimentary of Benderson? Holy cow that slimeball has done more irreparable harm to the suburban landscape than any developer I know of.
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Genghis
Saying Jews are good for business is not saying others are bad for business. Get a life. And no, I am willing to post any thought that comes across my mind. Including this one.
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ToughintheStreets
Oh this is great! I changed my mind BRO keep posting the same stories about buildings so I can watch these fantastic fights unfold before my eyes. I can't even understand what Bisonherd is saying anymore and I had to scroll up to the top of the page to remind myself what the original article was about.
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heathersmiles
I was listening to the Tom Joyner morning show on WBLK this morning and listened to their discussion about a "brother who wasn't voting for Obama", they talked all about how it is every (african american's) duty to vote for Obama. There were numerous remarks aimed at how electing Obama would be a triumph for "black americans" and it was unfathomable that their friend would betray their race by voting for McCain. They used numerous references to 'our people' and 'our race' and numerous references to 'them (meaning whites)'. A few times they mentioned that voting for Obama would be the dawn of a new day for African Americans because they could drive an agenda based on race.
I spoke about the discussion on this board with two friends in New York (both Jewish) and asked them their thoughts. They said that the comments were horrific and hateful. I asked them how it felt to read these comments and my friend Stacey said, "To me being Jewish is everything, it is who I am and what I am. I am a Jewish woman first, a mother second, and everything else is after that". I never really saw things in that way, for me it is not part of my upbringing or culture, but for her it is her identity. My friend Elizabeth made the comment that it is very important for her to marry a Jewish man because "her people" are diminishing in number. She has to do what is right, she thought about marrying a Protestant that she dated, but felt that it would be better for her and her future if she married within her race and religion. We talked for about an hour about this thread and things related to being Jewish, it was truly enlightening for me.
The strong affiliation to race, religion, or anything for that matter was never part of who I am. I don't really understand it and I am trying to learn more about it. I even struggle with the basics of political affiliations and how someone could be so strongly Republican or Democrat and see so blindly that their way is the only way. Sometimes I feel like I am missing out on something, but after the discussions and radio chatter this morning, I feel that I may be able to see things clearer than others because my lens isn't as foggy with deep rooted emotions and feelings about how I "should" or "must" see the world.
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bfloghost
Yeah, keep it up genghis, yours is just another form of intolerance and stupidity. You're entertaining in a warped sort of way. Seriously though go to one of the dozens of dollar stores in any Benderson strip plaza and buy a clue.
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BuffaloBloviator
I have no choice but to bring up bisonherd's name at our next week's secret meeting of the International Banking System Zionist Conspiracy.
Our Jewish infiltrators at BRO should be able to trace bisonherd's IP address.
Our organization will see to it that he will never be able to order Chinese food again.
Howard Goldman
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