Wow, do you think this year, we could have a better control of the PANHANDLERS and bums sleeping on the benches during the 'Great Downtown Housing Tour"? I was like "why would I want to move here with all these bums everywhere? NOT A GOOD LOOK when giving a tour for LIVING.
Am I the only one who sees the irony of chasing away homeless people to make the pitch to live downtown more atractive to yuppies and empty-nesters?
The panhandlers and bums are getting out of hand in this city. The time for a major crackdown on panhandling is long overdue. Most of these bums are able bodied but they flatly refuse to work for a living and that is dead wrong. How are we going to attract new residents and tourists to Buffalo when we have this serious, persistant problem with panhandlers and bums harrassing people for money constantly. It is a real problem along Elmwood Avenue as well as downtown.
The term Panhandler and bum is a less than meaningful way for your ego to appear superior to someone that you DO NOT KNOW! Maybe if you were to look at these people you refer to as panhandlers and bums as brothers, sisters, mothers and fathers you may not have as much hatred in your heart and use such negative language to refer to people that SHARE our city with us. I would encourage you to reflect on your thoughts before you spit them out to the public.
I was sitting down at Spot Coffee the other day and looked out the window and I all seen for 30 minutes were: A female panhandling EVERY PERSON walking by her and even chased a women to her car as she was walking out of Starbucks, A man carrying a shoe shinner bugging people, and about 3 different guys pushing shopping carts in the middle of the street. This reminds me of NYC during the 1980's. Don't believe me? Rent any movie from that era filmed there and check it out for yourself. Anyone who is serious in saying "we don't have a panhandler problem here" needs to Wake Up, go downtown for a day, sit and observe for yourself, better yet, wait a bus stop at Delaware & Chippewa, or near Main & Court, or Main & Church and I guaranty YOU WILL Be harrased by someone. - Oh, and also take notice to the LACK Of Police Patroling the sidewalks or any notice to the pums period. Yeah, makes me want to pay a fortune and live in a bum's paradise (and no RETAIL)
Yes, NYC has bums today, (every city does) BUT, I say BUT, the panhandlers in NYC are ENTERTAINING-- they sing, play an instrument, rap or serinade to you for $$...The bums here are bold and aggresive and sometimes DEMAND $$$$- That's why I carry a gun (don't worry, I have a permit for it)
Michael, WAKE THE F(*** UP!!! Go downtown for a DAY or better yet have your OFFICE or other establishment Downtown and then say the shit you just said and we'll see how sorry you feel for those bums then. They are BUMS. some in wheelchairs, or crutches....HELLO!!!! If they are disabled, Their are ways to get money from the government for that.... And how about those people with the story "Oh, I'm stranded", or "my baby's in a shelter and needs diapers">>>.B..., if your baby is in a shelter, SHE'S GETTING DIAPERS AND FOOD.. If your stranded here, you found a way here, now find your way back, call someone and have them send you money.... So sick of the same old stories here, and it's ONLY used here, when I travel around, I never hear these stories, BECAUSE THEY ONLY MAKE SCENSE TO THE PEOPLE IN THIS TOWN....
I was downtown for the Housing Tour last year and did find the Panhanlers to be a bit out of control than normal that day. They would sneak out from TGIFrday's entrance, rush out from Lafayette and Theatre Stations and even seen a mess of them right outside of the Buffalo Place offices all sleeping on the benches and thier belongings all over the sidewalks. It was sad to see that, and Walter is right, that is not a good look when giving a tour for Living in that neighborhood. Besides that day, I personally hate coming downtown at any time of the day or year because they like to come right up to your car and it's scary when your by yourself and a course noone is around to see this, becaue it's Downtown (it's a ghost town most hours of the day)
Walter, if you knew about NYC firsthand instead of from watching movies, you'd know that outside of Times Square where panhandlers entertain tourists, homeless people harass you outside ATMs and masturbate on subways and run down the street talking to themselves or shouting at strangers and all the things desperate, poor, unstable people do. Hate poverty. Hate joblessness. Hate mental illness. Hate substance abuse. But please stop hating the victims.
Hey WalterT1, you posted on an another topic that you're leaving next week...why don't you leave NOW? Spare us any more of your vulgarity, negative attitude, and obvious ignorance. A real problem in Buffalo are people like YOU who do nothing but insult the people of this city. But ya know, you're actually helping the problem, for after you leave there will be one less bum in the city. It's no wonder you're single--what decent person would put up with an idiot like you?
"Bums" are in every city....that will never change.
But downtown needs more of a police presence....they need cops out of the cars and on foot....bike....horse. it will give people a sense of security.
I work in the rand building....i pass a panhandler on every single corner...they dont bother me....but they make most of the women in my office very skiddish...escpecially in the evening hours. When i lived in philly i think i seen more of them....but i also noticed a lot of cops....in cars...on foot....engaged in the surroundings. moving people, bums off the park bench's....moving them from the corners...ect, ect.
I would like to see the buffalo police to be more active and engaged. GET OUT OF YOUR CARS.
I have less fear of panhandlers than I do of people who think it's necessary to carry guns around my city.
Walter. You obviously have never had the experiance of one of your loved one's living on the streets. You should not assume you know everyone's situation. i am sure if you took the time to understand some of these people your views would change.
I'd like to see more cops WALKING around too. But when making a call to City Hall recently after I had an incident downtown with a group of High School Kids following me to my office. The women I spoke with told me it's because of LACK of Officers and Money that we do not see officers walking around. So basical what she was telling me, We should deal with it, live in fear, and defend for yourself while downtown, the police have more important issues to handle than a bum or harrasment in the downtown area.
Poor people and bums are a party of the city and any congregation of people, you can't change that without changing capitalism... I don't typically mind bums, I feel bad most of the time but there are a couple things that do annoy me.
The stories are really lame, they must think people are idiots because they stand in the same place saying the same story for months. Everyone knows you are lying through your teeth, you could have walked to Niagara Falls by now, and it's midnight on a Saturday there are no more buses anyhow! How about a little honesty and be humble...
Another thing and I am probably going to get in trouble for this, are the bums who only ask white people for money. I will be walking down allen street and you can watch them skip over the three black people (some of whom are much better dressed than I) and go right to me to ask for money? What gives? Do I have money because I am white? That drives me crazy! The holes in my jeans were not bought that way but because I have been wearing them since High School.. sigh.
Or the people who ask for money and they are better dressed than I. I was walking down the street and this guy walked the opposite way, full suit (granted it was green) but he even had matching shoes. We exchange pleasantries as we passed but then he asked me for the time. So I stopped and told him and then he proceeded to ask for money... What gives with that! OR the well dressed people who get mad at you for saying "sorry" to them and yell at you because I thought they were poor. Apparently it is a sport to ask people for money now adays.
Jesus Tapdancing Christ. If you can't handle a couple of panhandlers, it's you who has the problem. Either give them some change, ignore them, or tell them sorry, you don't have anything. How difficult is that, really?
What gives, Is we have SO MANY of them Downtown. It's worse along Chippewa St. and Allen St. where they walk right up and knock on your car window begging for money. And it becomes very annoying to walk along Main St. just to be bothered and it's usally the SAME person in a different outfit trying to get your attention. I'd luv to see more security downtown WALKING!
So, the city is all well and good so long as your right to be left alone is preserved?
It's a city. It's got panhandlers. They're not hurting anyone. Just bothering you.
So how many people have come back to Buffalo because of this Old Home Week?
The panhandlers are really bad in Buffalo compared to other cities. That is a general assessment from my own personal experience. I've only given money to one panhandler in Buffalo because he did magic tricks for me and I was pretty entertained and he was friendly. Most of the time, though, they are fairly scary and when I just get out of a resturant at 11pm or a bar at 3-4am and you have a scruby looking bum following you to your car demanding money "because I apparently don't know what it's like to be homeless" I can see how it would cause problems.
I'm laughing my ass off reading these comments...here is a good little news story on Old Home Week and all but one comment is about panhandlers. Really, is this what the story is about? Panhandlers??? I love how Buffalo Rising stories about about one thing, and the comments are about something else. Some people really need to get a life...or atleast think before they speak.
Well Perry if you have ever been on one of these tours you might, just might, understand why we are talking about panhandlers and you could apply it to the article. Events in any city will draw them out, but in other cities I never felt like my life was about to be taken away from me over 20$ in my pocket. This event was a lot more fun and interesting after being dragged last time and I'm looking forward to it this year. If you've never gone to this you should make a note of it and attempt to attend!
The point of these comments Perry, is that- To promote downtown living, MAKE DOWNTOWN SAFER!!! It's a sad place right now, looks like a dumping ground for the mentally ill and poor. All you see downtown are people pushing shopping carts, guys using crutches and wheel chairs asking for change, people popping out from pillars and back doors, knocking on windows, waiting for you to get out of a bank, atm, or any establishment and HARRASS THE SHIT OUT OF YOU TILL YOU ACKNOWLEGE THEM!!!! It's so fuckin annoying, Why would anyone want to live in such as DEPRESSED area? I know the poor is a world wide issue, BUT where are the POLICE?????? and WHERE THE JOBS!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have my airline tickets booked and hotel reserved…I will be there for the celebration. I didn’t have a choice as I was only 10 when my family decided to leave in 1963 to the land of promise here in the desert. But hey, we were moving to Vegas, I was excited! The excitement wore off as I became homesick and missed Buffalo not long after we arrived.
I was just back in Buffalo in February for my first look at the city as an adult, let me share a unique perspective—a comparison of Buffalo 1963 to 2007. One thing about being homesick is you long for the places and people you had grown up with, the history of the region, the incredible architecture, the fabulous Olmsted Parks, the friendliness of the people. When I was 8 years old my favorite place to spend a Sunday was the Historical Building, they showed movies in the theatre every week. I was fascinated by the exhibits and never tired of looking at them. I lived so close to the zoo I could hear the lions roar when it was feeding time, so there were many visits there. I would hop on the Colvin bus and ride all the way to Shelton Square and then back again, if I kept a low profile in the back the driver wouldn’t ask for another fare. I would just stare at those buildings downtown…you see my father was an engineer and explained things to me, told me how they worked. He would tell stories of when he worked on building the Peace Bridge and Grand Island Bridge, and when he worked at the water intake in the Niagara River. So I developed an appreciation for not only the form but the function of these things.
Fast forward 44 years, and I finally get to see my hometown as an adult. My point of reference was the images of Buffalo 1963: all the downtown buildings were an ashen grey from years of industrial pollution and coal-fired furnaces. I walked through downtown in 2007 and everything looks *cleaner* than I remember, there’s colors showing in those buildings I never saw before. I went through the Cold Springs neighborhood, the house where I was born at Ellicott & Best is no longer there but the area is showing renewed life. I expected rundown, boarded up buildings but instead saw classic architecture revitalized. There was no trash, the streets weren’t all filled with pot holes as I remember…and sorry folks, I didn’t see any panhandlers. Franklin Park blew me away, when I lived here you just didn’t even go to this area. The Elmwood strip…well, I only remember this as a through street to get from downtown to North Buffalo.
On to North Buffalo where I lived from 1957-1963 and no, it didn’t look the same…it looked better. I guess 44 years of looking at tract homes in the desert has given me an appreciation for it. I saw the house my grandfather built and mother grew up in, it and the neighborhood just blew me away, it looked so great. Homes with character, well-maintained…tree-canopied streets, even after the carnage of Dutch Elm disease and the big storm in October. Homer Avenue and North Park was awesome, I walked down my old street and saw houses still inhabited by the people who were there in 1963…the people we sold our house to still live there. The trees were gone…a lot of trees are gone, but new ones are maturing in their place. One of the first things I do will be to plant a tree. Hertel Avenue had more life and vitality than I remember. The sign in front of St. Margaret’s church—where my parents and sister where married and I attended third grade—seemed so appropriate: “Come Back to Me With All Your Heart”
The Buffalo people is what impressed me the most…the warm welcome I received made me feel like I belong here, for the first time in 44 years I truly felt like I was “home.” I heard the complaints, I was told about the crime, the depressed economy, the massive amounts of people who have left. I’ve heard that before, when my father was laid off when Bell Aircraft shut down he was a bitter man after that. Downtown did look empty, with a lot of shovel-ready parcels down there; the east side has a long way to go, there’s a lot of vacant houses and lots. The 33 has carved a gaping swath through a beautiful area—those old houses sure look sad facing the highway. It’s not going to be easy and it won’t happen overnight. But I’m a glass-half-full kind of guy, being optimistic and focusing my energies on the positive has made me successful in my field.
It seems appropriate Buffalo Old Home Week kicks off on the same day I left—July 1. I don’t know how many people the event has brought back, or will bring back. But I can tell you one Buffalo native is coming home for good…and others are going to follow. Five more years of drought in the west is going to force the issue, and I’m going to be in a place that has plenty of water.
George, as usual, you wax poetic, thanks for the tour.
For the rest of you, hope this helps get this post back on track:
Legislation By: Mr. Golombek
Re: Ordinance Amendment Chapter 317, Aggressive Panhandling
The Common Council of the City of Buffalo does hereby ordain as follows:
That Chapter 317 of the Code of the City of Buffalo be amended to read as follows:
Chapter 317 Aggressive Panhandling
§317-1. Legislative Intent.
The Common Council finds that legislation is necessary in order to protect persons from threatening, intimidating or harassing behavior, to keep public places safe and attractive for use by all members of the community and to maintain and preserve public places where all of the community can interact in a peaceful manner. This legislation is also intended to provide for the free flow of pedestrian and vehicular traffic on streets and sidewalks in the City of Buffalo, to promote tourism and business and preserve the quality of urban life. The Common Council finds that aggressive acts associated with solicitation tend to interfere with the free flow of pedestrian and vehicular traffic and intimidate persons in public places, and can lead to disruption and disorder in public places. Aggressive acts can also cause persons to avoid public places and lead to declining patronage of commercial establishments and tourism. The Common Council further finds that solicitation in certain public places is inconsistent with the use of those places, is inherently intimidating, targets persons who are captive audiences or constitutes an invasion of privacy as persons are not able to simply move on if they do not wish to speak to the person soliciting. Solicitation in proximity to bank entrances or check-cashing businesses or automated teller machines is inherently intimidating and should be restricted. This legislation is intended to promote the health, safety and welfare of the citizens and visitors to the City of Buffalo.
§317-2. Definitions.
For the purposes of this chapter, the following terms shall have the following meanings:
AGGRESSIVE MANNER
(1) Intentionally or recklessly making any physical contact with or touching another person in the course of the solicitation, or approaching within arm’s length of the person, except with the person’s consent; or
(2) Following the person being solicited, if that conduct is intended to or is likely to cause a reasonable person to fear imminent bodily harm or the commission of a criminal act upon property in the person’s possession, or is intended to or is reasonably likely to intimidate the person being solicited into responding affirmatively to the solicitation; or
(3) Continuing to solicit within five feet of the person being solicited after the person has made a negative response, if continuing the solicitation is intended to or is likely to cause a reasonable person to fear imminent bodily harm or the commission of a criminal act upon property in the person’s possession, or is intended to or is likely to intimidate the person being solicited into responding affirmatively to the solicitation; or
(4) Intentionally or recklessly blocking the safe or free passage of the person being solicited or requiring the person, or the driver of a vehicle, to take evasive action to avoid physical contact with the person making the solicitation; or
(5) Intentionally or recklessly using words intended to or likely to cause a reasonable person to fear imminent bodily harm or the commission of a criminal act upon property in the person’s possession, or intended or likely to intimidate the person into responding affirmatively to the solicitation; or
(5) Approaching the person being solicited in a manner that is intended to or is likely to cause a reasonable person to fear imminent bodily harm or the commission of a criminal act upon property in the person’s possession or intended to or is likely to intimidate the person being solicited into responding affirmatively to the solicitation.
AUTOMATED TELLER MACHINE- A device, linked to a financial institution’s account records, which is able to carry out transactions, including but not limited to account transfers, deposits, cash withdrawals, balance inquiries, and mortgage and loan payments.
AUTOMATED TELLER MACHINE FACILITY- The area comprised of one or more automated teller machines, and any adjacent space which is made available to banking customers after regular banking hours.
BANKING ORGANIZATION- All banks, trust companies, private bankers, savings banks, industrial banks, safe deposit companies, savings and loan associations, credit unions and investment companies as defined in §2 of the New York State Banking Law.
LICENSED CASHER OF CHECKS- Any individual, partnership, unincorporated association or corporation duly licensed by the New York State Superintendent of Banks to engage in business pursuant to the provisions of Article IX-A of the New York State Banking Law.
PARKING AREA- off-street area used for the temporary storage of self-propelled vehicles and available for public use, whether free, for compensation or as an accommodation for clients or customers. Parking areas shall also include parking garages, Parking ramps, and Municipal parking lots.
PUBLIC PLACE- Any area or building owned, leased, operated or controlled by or on behalf of any government, municipality, public authority or public corporation in the City of Buffalo which is generally accessible by the public, including but not limited to any street, including the sidewalk portion thereof, skyway, bridge, tunnel, park, playground, recreation area, cemetery, school, or school grounds, building, facility, driveway, parking lot or parking garage, and the doorways and entrances to buildings and dwellings.
SOLICIT- shall include, without limitation, the spoken, written, or printed word or such other acts or bodily gestures as are conducted in furtherance of the purposes of immediately obtaining money or any other thing of value.
§317-3. Prohibited Conduct.
A. No Person shall solicit in an aggressive manner in a public place.
B. No person shall solicit within twenty (20) feet of an automated teller machine or an entrance or exit of an automated teller machine facility during the time the automated teller machine is available for customers’ use; or within twenty (20) feet of an entrance or exit to a banking organization or a licensed casher of checks during its business hours.
C. No person shall solicit when either the person soliciting or the person being solicited is in a bus shelter or at a bus stop.
D. No person shall solicit in a parking area as defined in this chapter.
E. No person shall solicit in any portion of a public skyway or tunnel.
F. No person on a sidewalk or alongside a roadway shall solicit from any occupant of a motor vehicle that is on a street or other public place.
§317-4. Penalties.
A violation of this chapter shall be a classified as a “violation” as that term is defined in the Penal Law. A person convicted of violating this section shall be fined not less than $25.00 nor more than $250.00, and, in addition for a second conviction within twelve (12) months of a preceding conviction, may be imprisoned for a term not longer than fifteen (15) days. In lieu of a fine, the court may impose an appropriate alternative sentence; provided, however that an alternative sentence shall not be an unconditional discharge.
§317-5. Severability.
If any clause, sentence, paragraph, or part of this chapter or application thereof to any person or circumstances shall be adjudged by a court of competent jurisdiction to be invalid, such judgment shall not affect, impair, or invalidate the remainder thereof or the application thereof to other persons and circumstances, but shall be confined in its operation to the clause, sentence, paragraph or part thereof and the persons and circumstances directly involved in the controversy in which such judgment shall have been rendered.
Um, MRodgers, So WHERE ARE THE POLICE To ENFORCE THIS????? That is the big issue here. All of what you just posted has been said before and NOTHING HAS BEEN DONE!!... And to George and others.....Over half my family and all of friends LEFT Buffalo since 1999 and are NOT Homesick, I myself am also moving away this Summer for GOOD...I certainly can't wait to get to a real city with a VIBE and JOBS!!!! This town is still too backwards and depressing for my taste and to of course the 30,000 PLUS who also left this decade to better themselfs.
Um, MRodgers, So WHERE ARE THE POLICE To ENFORCE THIS????? That is the big issue here.
Exactly. Unless accosted people are expected to make citizen's arrests, that new law won't make much difference.
Being realistic, however, I don't think there's much likelihood that downtown or any part of Buffalo will have a lot more cops patrolling in the foreseeable future. I realize the police exam was just given and there's talk of increasing the force, but mostly the new hires will replace those leaving from attrition and there won't be any increase big enough to beef up patrols much in a sustained way.
The city can barely afford the police budget it has now and one of these years it will have to give in and negotiate a new contract with raises, and that will necessarily drive up costs even more, making it all the less likely the size of the force can be much larger. State aid can't keep skyrocketing forever either.
So probably the amount of police we see downtown now is about the amount we can expect to have. The people who say basically "hey get used to it, that's just life downtown" are correct unfortunately.
And really it's not just downtown, Allentown is bad and Elmwood too although less so. Maybe people who just have a very low tolerance for this but still want to live in the city should consider the Hertel area. For whatever reason that's one area I've never noticed that problem.
So, Ross, before you leave this summer, are you going to be selling off your propery?
Serenity Now, what the heck, am I the Control Board? You want to see this go into motion? Write a letter to the Control Board and get more cops on the streets. Jeeeez, unless people start coming to the table and doing something, we're all at a stalemate. Take some responsibility on to your own shoulders. You were given information, use it, do something with it, stop relying on others and becoome proactive.
MRodgers: I know from past posts that you apparently work for the City. I don't. I just pay taxes; which, by the way, have gone up 40% in less than 7 years. Really; Why should I expect anything in return for this money? If I want to send my kids to a public school; hope they get into City Honors. If I don't want to be bothered by the same miscreants "panhandling" in the same places every day, I need to take responsibility and "do somehting"? Are you suggesting that I stop calling the police and start beating the crap out of these people?
hodgepodge, I only wish I worked for the city. No, I'm just an independent contractor that uses her time off to work with groups and organizations across the city to hold our government and many others accountable for responsibilities.
I understand your frustration as a taxpayer, I am one, as well and feel we should be getting more for our money. That's why I feel it is of the utmost importance to stand up and be counted, whether by writing letters, making phone calls, researching on the internet, whatever.
One of the things I hold near and dear is creating a papertrail. The easiest way to do this is by calling 911 and assuring there is a record of complaint, so I would not ever tell anyone to stop calling police.
Beating the crap out of anyone only makes the beater look like an ass, so that suggestion isn't even in the realm of my mind.
Having received a copy of the legislation just points to the fact that I am always in the face of government and others. I make calls, I write letters, I attend meetings. But, it can't just be the same people over and over again. the more involved we all become, themore impact it has regarding a myriad of issues we face each and everyday. However, any complaints should be presented with possible solutions to assure attention is given to the issues.
Also, getting to the root of any issue is essential in creating these solution-based presentations. Panhandlers and "bums" are a result of social organizations that are not held accountable. They place these folks in inadequate housing, do not monitor their needs, and frankly, seem to show they don't give a darn. Some of these panhandlers have mental illness - a direct line to homelessness and inadequate care. Many have served in the armed forces, but were not taken care of by the system that so readily used them up then spit them out. Others are the direct result of the crack epidemic that was first introduced into urban areas during the 80's and now their children are following in their footsteps as that is the type of life they were taught.
These folks need reparenting, services, and the social services held accountable. Our taxes pay for it, yet we do nothing to assure this portion of our hard earned cash is being spent as we are told it should be.
Write letters - demand accountability - the Control Board controls our taxes - they control how many police we have on the streets - write letters. It's easy to sit around and commiserate, it takes a few extra minutes to write a letter and be heard. It can't be the same people all the time. Show that we are legion, take positive action upon yourself, your block club, whoever. remember the old adage - "squeaky wheel?" Well, it comes in to play here, very nicely.
MRogers, yes I realize you're not on the Control Board and wasn't blaming you for the reality as I see it that the number of cops we have is pretty much the number of cops we're going to have any time soon.
I just didn't agree that the new law will make a big differene, so we can agree to disagree about that. Time will tell whether or not that makes a noticeable improvement.
I don't blame the Control Board for this either and no I won't lobby them to let the city return to days of spending money as if it grows on trees.
The CB is often demonized as if they created the city's problems but I see them as the responsible grown ups that for many years our free spending Common Council has refused to be.
Any increases to the size of the police force will be small and symbolic. Money doesn't grow on trees and the PBA, rightly or wrongly, won't be making big contract concessions.
So while I totally understand people wanting for a lot more cops on the streets downtown, and agree that would help a lot more than the law you posted, I just don't see how it can happen.
It sounds like you do a great job as a squeaky wheel on behalf of your block club, but practically not every block across the city can do that. How can we increase police attention on every block? Where would all that money come from?
One thing that could help a lot would be longer jail terms for most street crime so police don't need to spend time investigating and arresting the same people over and over. That could free up more time for them to spend on quality of life issues such as panhandler issue. I'm not saying lock up panhandlers, just lock up more criminals so the police have more time.
And, one other thing, Serent=ity Now - judges that actually send the criminals to jail - not just release them on their own recognizance. We have a few individuals who are consistently being arrested for drugs and theft. They have multiple cases in court, but the judges give them RORs like they're going out of style. Believe me when I tell you that the arresting officers get very frustrated. One of them even pulled a butcher knife an a cop and was ROR'd while three other cases were pending on her. The cops I have had the priviledge to work with really put forth a strong effort, but the court system lacks common sense, so we'll definitley agree on that!
Or better yet, DON'T GIVE MONEY TO THE "BUMS", walk by and pretend you don't see or hear them..They will get the hint and locate somewhere else. I'm so sick of the stupid people actually stopping for these people and act all nervous and shit...JUST IGNORE THEM, and they wont bother you. If one does get too aggressive, PEPPER SPRAY THEIR ASS! It's your right to protect yourself.
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