Common Council Items of Interest February 5, 2013

The Council adopted a resolution, sponsored by Council President and Lovejoy District Council Member Richard A. Fontana, requesting the City Comptroller’s Office to perform an audit of the City’s Street Lighting System and prepare a comprehensive audit to recoup funds owed to the City of Buffalo by National Grid. Many street lights in the City are down, have an outage or are in need of repair and therefore add unnecessary expenses to City taxpayers. An audit on the street lighting system has the potential to save the City hundreds of thousands of dollars and could result in compensation owed to the City of Buffalo; in fact, an audit performed in the late 1990′s resulted in reimbursements from Niagara Mohawk of more than $1 million. The Council maintains that an audit would provide a concise and shared directory for City workers and National Grid to work from, aiding in the prevention of billing errors of nonexistent or phantom street lights in the future. Proper auditing of the street lighting system is necessary in that the City of Buffalo pays 93 cents per kilowatt per pole each day to National Grid for reported light outages. When a street light is reported down or functioning improperly, respective responders will be able to use the created directory to assess and repair the item in an efficient manner, saving taxpayers money and a better quality of life.
The Council adopted a resolution, sponsored by Council Members Richard A. Fontana and Darius G. Pridgen, requesting the development of a Cat Task Force to meet and provide recommendations to the Council on how to humanely address the overpopulation of feral/stray cats in the City of Buffalo. The feral cat population has increased in recent years to the dismay of many City residents. Council Members would like the new task force to advise the Council on humane and practical ways to handle the many feral cats that have become a nuisance on some of the City’s neighborhoods.
The Council adopted a resolution showing its support for continued exploration to study the feasibility of the Greater Buffalo Sports and Entertainment Complex’s (GBSEC) proposal to develop a landmark Sports, Entertainment, Conference and Museum Complex on the Buffalo Outer Harbor. The Council maintains that the proposal, has the possibility of keeping the Buffalo Bills in Western New York and the City of Buffalo well beyond the term of the current lease and that the proposed project will create significant and new economic opportunities similar to the recent experience of the City of Indianapolis, IN. – (Renderings - HKS) from October 2012 – ESPN | BRO
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The Council adopted a resolution, sponsored by Delaware District Council Member Michael J. LoCurto, showing its support for quick passage of Assembly Bills A.88 and A.824, which will make it mandatory for lending institutions to provide proper contact information for owners of vacant properties. If passed, the bills will close a loophole which allows lending institutions to keep a property’s ownership ambiguous. Under current law, vacant and foreclosed buildings are left in perpetual states of disrepair, with lenders withholding owners’ contact information from those who are concerned about the condition of the properties.
The Council adopted a resolution, sponsored by Council Members Demone A. Smith, Richard A. Fontana and Darius G. Pridgen, requesting the Erie County Legislature to conduct a review of the Erie County Board of Elections to ensure that they provide an efficient, voter friendly and fair election process. The resolution also requests that the Legislature hold a public hearing regarding voting irregularities and establish rules and or policies on: sixty day notification of polling site changes, clarification of voter intent, and absentee ballots and affidavits having the same rules and regulations when defining voter intent. While Erie county tax payers furnish approximately $1.3 million yearly to conduct fair and impartial elections; concerns have arisen over realignment, exaggeration, and rezoning of voting districts; which may violate the Voting Rights Act of 1965.
The Council adopted a resolution, sponsored by Ellicott District Council Member Darius G. Pridgen, requesting that the Erie County Legislature call for a hearing to fully investigate the Erie County Medical Examiner’s Office. As a result of the controversies regarding the death of Amanda Wienckowski, the Council’s Legislation Committee heard testimonies from Amanda’s friends and family on how unprofessionally the Erie County Medical Examiner’s Office handled Amanda’s autopsy. The Council, in conjunction with the family’s wishes, seeks the facts behind Amanda’s autopsy in order to finalize the real cause of her death so that law enforcement can pursue the case immediately and bring the guilty parties to justice. In addition, the Council adopted another resolution requesting that the Erie County Legislature expeditiously conduct a full and thorough investigation of the Erie County Medical Examiner’s office to ensure that proper protocol was followed with Amanda’s initial autopsy as well as with respect to challenged autopsy findings.
WAIVER FOR UNIQUE SITUATION
The Council approved three resolutions, two sponsored by Ellicott District Council Member Darius G. Pridgen and one sponsored by Fillmore District Council Member David A. Franczyk, waiving the penalties and interest currently owing on the following properties, pursuant to the authority granted to it by New York Real Property Tax Law Section 1182:
o Ellicott District
468 Washington Street 
107 Delaware Avenue 
o Fillmore District
949 Broadway
WAIVER OF FEES
The Council approved a resolution, sponsored by Council Members Richard A. Fontana, David A. Franczyk, and Christopher P. Scanlon waiving any and all permit and application fees associated with the 2013 Old Neighborhood St. Patrick’s Day Parade. The parade will be held on Saturday, March 16, 2013. 
The Council approved a resolution, sponsored by Delaware District Council Member Michael J. LoCurto waiving any permit and special event fees associated with the Buffalo Orienteering Club of Buffalo’s event. The event will be held on September 8, 2013. 
The Council approved a resolution, sponsored by South District Council Member Christoph
er P. Scanlon waiving any and all permit fees associated with the 2013 St. Patrick’s Day Parade. The parade will be held on Sunday, March 17, 2013. 
The Council approved a resolution, sponsored by Majority Leader and Masten District Council Member Demone A. Smith waiving the park fee associated with the following events: 
o The Masten District Easter Egg hunt to be held on Saturday, March 29, 2013
o The Buffalo Museum of Science “Beerology” event to be held on Saturday, April 11, 2013
o The Buffalo Museum of Science “Bubblefest” event to be held on Saturday, May 11, 2013
o Juneteenth to be held on June 15 and 16, 2013
o The Buffalo Museum of Science “Starlights” event to be held on Saturday, June 29, 2013
o The Masten Jazz Festival to be held on July 21 and 28, 2013
o Gospel Fest to be held on Saturday, July 27, 2013
o The Pine Grill Reunion to be held on August 4 and 11, 2013
o Taking it to the Streets to be held on August 17 and 18, 2013
o Jefferson Arts Festival to be held on Sunday, August 25, 2013; and
o The Buffalo Museum of Science “Gala” to be held on Saturday, October 19, 2013
SALE OF CITY OWNED PROPERTY–The Council approved transactions relating to the following City owned properties:
Ellicott District
o 602 Fourth Street was sold to D’Youville College for $400,000.
Fillmore District
o 357 Guilford Street was sold to King Center Charter School, Inc. for $1,000.
o 34 and 36 Herman Street were sold to Mr. Gordon Williams for $1,500.
Niagara District
o 123 Arkansas Street was sold to Mrs. Amino Mohamed for $2,100.
Upon the recommendation of the Department of Permit & Inspection Services, the Council approved the following license and permit applications:
Delaware District
o Permit to Re-Establish Existing Restaurant and Sidewalk Café in Hertel Ave Special Zoning District
D. Serra, owner of the property located at 1487 Hertel Avenue.
o Permit to Re-Establish Use of Restaurant in the Hertel Ave Special Zoning District
A. Antonucci, owner of the property located at 1197 Hertel Avenue.
o Permit for a Pole Sign
S. Shafie, agent of the property located at 1261 Hertel Avenue.
o Used Car Dealer License
Power Broker’s, located at 1082 Kenmore Avenue.
Ellicott District
o Second Hand Dealer License
M & J Appliances located at 465 Niagara Street.
o Restaurant Dance License
Snooty Fox Lounge, located at 445 Delaware Avenue.
Mr. Goodbar, located at 1108 Elmwood Avenue.
Niagara District
o Permit to Open Existing Restaurant and in The Elmwood Ave Special Zoning District under New Ownership
J. Lyons, owner of the property located at 534 Elmwood Avenue.
Upon the request of the City of Buffalo Office of the City Clerk, the Council:
o Approved the City Clerk to trade in the Birth Card Machine Printer, which is outdated and has outlived its usefulness, for $300. The funds will be used towards the cost of a new printer.
Upon the request of the City of Buffalo Department of Public Works (“DPW”), the Council:
o Authorized DPW to engage the services of Nussbaumer & Clarke, Inc. for architectural and engineering services and construction oversight of the Broderick Park Phase I Project. The costs for these consulting services are estimated not to exceed $100,000.
o Authorized DPW to enter into agreements with the University of Buffalo, Roswell Park, Kaleida Health and Buffalo Medical Group for the Ellicott Street Gateway Phase 2 Project
o Authorized DPW to purchase one pickup truck or suburban to be used by the City’s Engineering Division.
Upon the request of the City of Buffalo Department of Public Works (“DPW”), the Council approved the following contract change orders:

o The contract with Joseph Carino Plumbing & Heating, Inc. for the Broadway Garage New Restroom Addition Project was increased by $1,985 for additional services needed to complete the project. The contract was initially awarded in the amount of $4,945 and with this change; the contract will increase to $6,930. 
Upon the request of the City of Buffalo Department of Public Works, the Council approved the following reports of bids:

o Of the bids that were received for the Parkside Lodge Window Reconstruction Project pan class="Apple-style-span" style="font-weight: normal; ">, Allstate General Contracting was the lowest, with a bid of $113,450. (see here)

o Of the bids that were received for the 2013 Citywide Street Tree Planting Project, Mark Cerrone, Inc. was the lowest, with a bid of $482,790. 
o Of the bids that were received for the Coca Cola Field Testing & Special Inspections Project, SJB Services, Inc. was the lowest, with a bid of $600. 
o Of the bids that were received for the Fire Engine 37 Apparatus Bay Ceiling Emergency Asbestos Sampling and Testing Project, Stohl Environmental was the lowest, with a bid of $315. 
APPOINTMENTS
 
The Council appointed the following individuals as members of the Board of Trustees of the Buffalo and Erie County Library:
o Elaine Panty
o Jessica Maglietto-Smith
o Bernadette Taylor
The Council appointed the following individual to the position of Senior Legislative Assistant within the Common Council Staff Office:
o Doris Corley
The Council approved the appointment of the following individuals to positions within various City of Buffalo Departments:
 
o Department of Audit and Control
Financial Operations Administrator
Richard Fanton
o Department of Public Works
Account Clerk Typist
Stacy L. Masullo
Caulker Supervisor I
Perry Sullivan
Senior Engineer
Michael Hoffert
o Department of Police
Police Officer
Robert J. Felshow III
David F. Kimmins
Patrick J. McDonald
Nicholas R. Herbert
Aghieszka Dembinska
Sharese L. Saleh
Courtney A. Tripp
Anthony R. Kozlowski
Jenny M. Velez
Todd C. McAlister
Thomas P. Sullivan
Joseph J. Christopher
Michael J. Norwood, Jr.
Gaisha B. Wilson
Michael A. Kausch
Andrea A. Anderson
William J. Moretti
John R. Bannister
David M. Kubiak
Mark D. Ambellan
Kyma J. Dickinson
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BUFFALO COMMON COUNCIL

David A. Franczyk
Fillmore District
1315 City Hall
851-4138

David A. Rivera
President Pro Tempore
Niagara District
1504 City Hall
851-5125

Richard A. Fontana
Majority Leader
Lovejoy District
1414 City Hall
851-5151

Michael J. LoCurto
Delaware District
1405 City Hall
851-5155

Darius G. Pridgen
Ellicott District
1408 City Hall
851-4980

Demone A. Smith
Masten District
1316-A City Hall
851-5145

Joseph Golombek, Jr.
North District
1502 City Hall
851-5116

Christopher P. Scanlon
South District
1401 City Hall
851-5169

Bonnie E. Russell
University District
1508 City Hall
851-5165

Common Council Legislative Staff Office
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59 comments
RPreskop
RPreskop

We do not need a new football stadium. The whole idea of a outer harbor stadium and convention center is a unrealistic pie in the sky idea. The Buffalo Bills can stay in their current home in Orchard Park where they rightfully belong. This stadium is not going to be a catalyst for any new development. That is all hopeful speculation that ends up being proven wrong once the architectural monstrosity is built. These investors and planners are just hoping for more hotels and hospitality which is mostly low wage, service sector jobs. Big deal. Both General Mills and ADM are tremendous, positive economic assets that need to be accomodated in the future. The jobs they offer are good paying and pump more money into the economy than tourism and hospitiality. This entire sports and entertainment complex for the outer harbor needs to be permanently killed. Buffalo is too small and too poor to support an NFL franchise. It is time for the Bills to stop freeloading off the taxpayers and do us a long overdue favor by moving to Los Angeles.

RPreskop
RPreskop

We do not need a new football stadium. The whole idea of a outer harbor stadium and convention center is a unrealistic pie in the sky idea. The Buffalo Bills can stay in their current home in Orchard Park where they rightfully belong. This stadium is not going to be a catalyst for any new development. That is all hopeful speculation that ends up being proven wrong once the architectural monstrosity is built. These investors and planners are just hoping for more hotels and hospitality which is mostly low wage, service sector jobs. Big deal. Both General Mills and ADM are tremendous, positive economic assets that need to be accomodated in the future. The jobs they offer are good paying and pump more money into the economy than tourism and hospitiality. This entire sports and entertainment complex for the outer harbor needs to be permanently killed. Buffalo is too small and too poor to support an NFL franchise. It is time for the Bills to stop freeloading off the taxpayers and do us a long overdue favor by moving to Los Angeles.

Old First Ward
Old First Ward

I've swam in the outer harbor many times. As a kid in the 70's we swam at the pier and bell slip every summer. The breakwall does calm the waters over there. You don't get the waves like you get in the open beaches to the south.

Except for the bell slip area, there is no beach over there. That portion of the outer harbor is just like the mouth of the river by the commercial slip and the marina. That strip will never have a beach, it is a essentially a lakefront park and boardwalk. Now if we can find an architect to have the vision to combine the lake with stadium in a mutual affiliation for the good of everybody both public and private we just may be able to create a unique facility for all of Erie County to enjoy.

Old First Ward
Old First Ward

I've swam in the outer harbor many times. As a kid in the 70's we swam at the pier and bell slip every summer. The breakwall does calm the waters over there. You don't get the waves like you get in the open beaches to the south.

Except for the bell slip area, there is no beach over there. That portion of the outer harbor is just like the mouth of the river by the commercial slip and the marina. That strip will never have a beach, it is a essentially a lakefront park and boardwalk. Now if we can find an architect to have the vision to combine the lake with stadium in a mutual affiliation for the good of everybody both public and private we just may be able to create a unique facility for all of Erie County to enjoy.

sonyactivision
sonyactivision

I wonder if a big jetty and marina could be built in front of the stadium to provide greater protection from a stormy lake and to give the project some of the ambiance of Pac Bell Park in San Francisco.

OutsidetheBox
OutsidetheBox

The only logical place in my mind continues to be over the top of the Perry projects. Between Louisiana and Hamburg Sts and from S Park to the 190. It makes too much sense so it will probably never happen there. You could share parking with the facilities for the arena so you maximize the existing lots instead of duplicating parking and creating more seldom used lots. Additionally there is easy access to the highway network, easy opportunities for mass transit, and the opportunity to develop a sports district with the stadium and arena as anchors.

The spot may make sense for a joint convention center as well, if it's expanded to the west. I'm sure the casino would benefit and if the center was built further west it'd be within short walking distance of the inner harbor and some of the proposed hotels there.

OutsidetheBox
OutsidetheBox

The only logical place in my mind continues to be over the top of the Perry projects. Between Louisiana and Hamburg Sts and from S Park to the 190. It makes too much sense so it will probably never happen there. You could share parking with the facilities for the arena so you maximize the existing lots instead of duplicating parking and creating more seldom used lots. Additionally there is easy access to the highway network, easy opportunities for mass transit, and the opportunity to develop a sports district with the stadium and arena as anchors.

The spot may make sense for a joint convention center as well, if it's expanded to the west. I'm sure the casino would benefit and if the center was built further west it'd be within short walking distance of the inner harbor and some of the proposed hotels there.

Greenca
Greenca

400 million plus from the state (which has severe budget deficits and extraordinary costs from Sandy)

200-400 million from the NFL (which has not expressed any interest in giving 200-400 million to a team likely to move to a larger city once its elderly owner passes away)

and X amount from the county (not flush with money)

and X amount from Bills (see NFL comment above)

Greenca
Greenca

400 million plus from the state (which has severe budget deficits and extraordinary costs from Sandy)

200-400 million from the NFL (which has not expressed any interest in giving 200-400 million to a team likely to move to a larger city once its elderly owner passes away)

and X amount from the county (not flush with money)

and X amount from Bills (see NFL comment above)

Old First Ward
Old First Ward

A retractable dome stadium is a multi-purpose facility. It's use would be more than ten or so games by the Bills.

Plus there is still plenty of open space from the boat harbor south. Placing it here also allows for some unique developing with boat slips, canals and other public friendly ideas. It opens the possibilities for development throughout the entire outer harbor right through to downtown. Placing it downtown by the casino land locks it, and puts it in Carl Paladino's pocket.

Old First Ward
Old First Ward

A retractable dome stadium is a multi-purpose facility. It's use would be more than ten or so games by the Bills.

Plus there is still plenty of open space from the boat harbor south. Placing it here also allows for some unique developing with boat slips, canals and other public friendly ideas. It opens the possibilities for development throughout the entire outer harbor right through to downtown. Placing it downtown by the casino land locks it, and puts it in Carl Paladino's pocket.

Up and coming
Up and coming

400 million plus from the state, 200-400 million from the NFL and X amount from the county and X amount from Bills.

Up and coming
Up and coming

400 million plus from the state, 200-400 million from the NFL and X amount from the county and X amount from Bills.

ladyinwhite
ladyinwhite

If a new stadium was to be built, where would the Billion dollars come from?

Up and coming
Up and coming

Humm lets see....first off, multiple sites along lake have been shut down in the past years for having high levels of e. coli and the outer harbor was and still is the site of industrial manufacturing. So, swim at your own risk and let me know how the growth of your third arm turns out. Also, you wouldn't be able to swim at the site where the stadium would be build because one you jump off the break wall it's straight down so go look accomidating a sandy beach there.

Up and coming
Up and coming

Humm lets see....first off, multiple sites along lake have been shut down in the past years for having high levels of e. coli and the outer harbor was and still is the site of industrial manufacturing. So, swim at your own risk and let me know how the growth of your third arm turns out. Also, you wouldn't be able to swim at the site where the stadium would be build because one you jump off the break wall it's straight down so go look accomidating a sandy beach there.

buffalorr
buffalorr

Sorry I wasn't more specific.

To me, access means recreation and since this site is on the lake, swimming would be one component of a public recreation area.

"You can dip your feet", as exciting as that sound's, I"d rather go for a full swim.

Have you ever gone swimming in the outer harbor,?

Probably not, there's no public access to it, so how do you know you wouldn't want to swim there.

OK , go ahead and blow apart this comment now, which is what you think you attempted to do ( at least in your mind ).

I can stand the destruction, it's a way of life here for some in the City of Good Neighbors.

buffalorr
buffalorr

Sorry I wasn't more specific.

To me, access means recreation and since this site is on the lake, swimming would be one component of a public recreation area.

"You can dip your feet", as exciting as that sound's, I"d rather go for a full swim.

Have you ever gone swimming in the outer harbor,?

Probably not, there's no public access to it, so how do you know you wouldn't want to swim there.

OK , go ahead and blow apart this comment now, which is what you think you attempted to do ( at least in your mind ).

I can stand the destruction, it's a way of life here for some in the City of Good Neighbors.

Up and coming
Up and coming

So now you're talking about being able to swim, not just access. Nice way of moving the goal posts because your original comment was blown apart. That being said, Gallagher Pier and the inner harbor both have places where you can dip your feet and LaSalle Park has a pool right by the water. Also, most places on the outer harbor you can't even swim in, or would even want to.

buffalorr
buffalorr

No beaches at Lasalle Park, NFTA Small Boat Harbor, Front Park,

Doug's Dive--if you can call that a public access area at all.

The other's are nice but comparatively small and spread apart.

This parcel of land is large and can be developed into the lakefront equivalent of Delaware Park.

No golf courses or zoo, but hiking trail's, picnic area's tennis court's, a baseball field and most importantly sandy beachfront.

We have great summer's in Buffalo when you can enjoy going to a beach, along with the other outdoor activities.

A new stadium wouldn't have to be located on the far east side.

You can go a short distance down Broadway, William or Genessee St's (sp) and find sparsely built on parcels of land.

Redeveloping this area which is adjacent to downtown could stimulate new investment and at the same time expand the CBD.

It's not an exotic idea.

Los Angeles built the Staples center south of their downtown.

Chicago has built their basket ball area on their near west side.

New York has put up a new Yankee Stadium next to the old one.

All of these have seen huge investment in their surrounding neighborhoods.

That's how vibrant urban centers are created.

buffalorr
buffalorr

No beaches at Lasalle Park, NFTA Small Boat Harbor, Front Park,

Doug's Dive--if you can call that a public access area at all.

The other's are nice but comparatively small and spread apart.

This parcel of land is large and can be developed into the lakefront equivalent of Delaware Park.

No golf courses or zoo, but hiking trail's, picnic area's tennis court's, a baseball field and most importantly sandy beachfront.

We have great summer's in Buffalo when you can enjoy going to a beach, along with the other outdoor activities.

A new stadium wouldn't have to be located on the far east side.

You can go a short distance down Broadway, William or Genessee St's (sp) and find sparsely built on parcels of land.

Redeveloping this area which is adjacent to downtown could stimulate new investment and at the same time expand the CBD.

It's not an exotic idea.

Los Angeles built the Staples center south of their downtown.

Chicago has built their basket ball area on their near west side.

New York has put up a new Yankee Stadium next to the old one.

All of these have seen huge investment in their surrounding neighborhoods.

That's how vibrant urban centers are created.

longgone
longgone

But it's the historic elevator alley.... Everyone thinks it's cool.

longgone
longgone

But it's the historic elevator alley.... Everyone thinks it's cool.

Up and coming
Up and coming

I actually thought that was funny. One "up" vote.

Up and coming
Up and coming

I actually thought that was funny. One "up" vote.

Up and coming
Up and coming

LaSalle Park, Bennett Beach, Gallagher Pier, Woodlawn Beach, NFTA Small boat Harbor, Front Park, Hamburg Beach, Dougs Dive, The whole outer harbor from Dougs dive to the Skyway, Inner Harbor along with numerous other spots. Like I said, pick a spot.

Up and coming
Up and coming

LaSalle Park, Bennett Beach, Gallagher Pier, Woodlawn Beach, NFTA Small boat Harbor, Front Park, Hamburg Beach, Dougs Dive, The whole outer harbor from Dougs dive to the Skyway, Inner Harbor along with numerous other spots. Like I said, pick a spot.

Up and coming
Up and coming

"A stadium/ museum complex could be a catalyst for redevelopment of that part of the city."

And what part of the city would that be? Are you going to stick it on the East Side somewhere? Part of the reason why the Rockpile was moved was due to a lack of parking and people hated going to the games on the Eastside because the cars were always getting broken into and vandalized.

What about the West Side? Nope no room.

What about South Buffalo. Nope no room

What about along the river? No room really and you'd have to demo the projects, good luck with that.

What about the South Eastern part of the City? Yeah, you could, but it would be so disconnected from anything downtown you'd never see any economic impact.

Up and coming
Up and coming

"A stadium/ museum complex could be a catalyst for redevelopment of that part of the city."

And what part of the city would that be? Are you going to stick it on the East Side somewhere? Part of the reason why the Rockpile was moved was due to a lack of parking and people hated going to the games on the Eastside because the cars were always getting broken into and vandalized.

What about the West Side? Nope no room.

What about South Buffalo. Nope no room

What about along the river? No room really and you'd have to demo the projects, good luck with that.

What about the South Eastern part of the City? Yeah, you could, but it would be so disconnected from anything downtown you'd never see any economic impact.

buffalorr
buffalorr

You have the views but not the access, which is even more important.

Angola is quite a few miles southwest of the city and not accessible to a lot of resident's.

buffalorr
buffalorr

You have the views but not the access, which is even more important.

Angola is quite a few miles southwest of the city and not accessible to a lot of resident's.

Travelrrr
Travelrrr

Shhh.....Don't alert Up to the possibility of an abandoned building--he might force a break in and have his way with his "GF".

Travelrrr
Travelrrr

Shhh.....Don't alert Up to the possibility of an abandoned building--he might force a break in and have his way with his "GF".

Chenango
Chenango

I repeat: What will OP stadium look like as it rots away FOREVER?

What good is a 70,000 stadium if the Bills move 10 years after it's built?

You can not replace waterfront property.

Build it along the 190, just east of downtown.

Up and coming
Up and coming

If you want waterfront views you have all the way from Angola to Riverside, pick a spot.

Up and coming
Up and coming

If you want waterfront views you have all the way from Angola to Riverside, pick a spot.

Up and coming
Up and coming

You're a F*in idiot.....and that's all I'm going to say about that.

buffalorr
buffalorr

I agree with not having a stadium block our waterfront.

Chicago's Soldier Field is right on the downtown lakefront but the city has miles of parkland along the entire length of it, which nicely compensates for the stadium location.

You can leave the front door of your apartment building and cross Lake Shore Drive to be at the water's edge in less than five minutes--spectacular!

Buffalo has comparatively little actual lakefront property and we see how the Niagara River has for the most part been cut off by the Niagara Thruway, thanks to Robert Mosses, the most destructive public servant New York state has ever had.

That's why we need to treat our lakefront differently.

Leave it open for public access as much as possible and locate the stadium to a nearby downtown neighborhood.

The amount of open land there due to building's having been demolished is amazing.

A stadium/ museum complex could be a catalyst for redevelopment of that part of the city.

Just as the UB north campus would have been had it not been placed in Amherst.

Why make the same mistake twice?

buffalorr
buffalorr

I agree with not having a stadium block our waterfront.

Chicago's Soldier Field is right on the downtown lakefront but the city has miles of parkland along the entire length of it, which nicely compensates for the stadium location.

You can leave the front door of your apartment building and cross Lake Shore Drive to be at the water's edge in less than five minutes--spectacular!

Buffalo has comparatively little actual lakefront property and we see how the Niagara River has for the most part been cut off by the Niagara Thruway, thanks to Robert Mosses, the most destructive public servant New York state has ever had.

That's why we need to treat our lakefront differently.

Leave it open for public access as much as possible and locate the stadium to a nearby downtown neighborhood.

The amount of open land there due to building's having been demolished is amazing.

A stadium/ museum complex could be a catalyst for redevelopment of that part of the city.

Just as the UB north campus would have been had it not been placed in Amherst.

Why make the same mistake twice?

Up and coming
Up and coming

Exactly, we have enough vacant lots/spaces in the CBD that need infilled before we can worry about the outer harbor. It will take decaded to ever see real growth out there, but if you put a stadium out there it jump starts development immediately and creates a connector between the inner and outer harbor.

Up and coming
Up and coming

Exactly, we have enough vacant lots/spaces in the CBD that need infilled before we can worry about the outer harbor. It will take decaded to ever see real growth out there, but if you put a stadium out there it jump starts development immediately and creates a connector between the inner and outer harbor.

Chenango
Chenango

A stadium on the water is totally wrong.

People come to see whats on the field, not the water, and in Orchard Park they do it a total of 8 out of 365 days. Traffic would be in a gridlock for hours.

This is the NFTA's last chance to be relevant, and they will monopolize the parking. Get RID of them. If the Bills are marketing themselves as a regional team, then build the stadium where it is accessable to expressways to Canada, Thruway and 219.

Imagine what the Orchard Park stadium looks like 10 years after they lock the gates for the last time.

Travelrrr
Travelrrr

Yeah that makes a lot of sense--inhibit views of a breathtaking waterfront by plunking a monstrosity of a building on it. All while people sit inside and focus internally.

I pray to God we never make the foolish mistake of blocking our waterfront with this huge stadium. Nearby, inland? Most definitely.

Reuse the silos.

Travelrrr
Travelrrr

Yeah that makes a lot of sense--inhibit views of a breathtaking waterfront by plunking a monstrosity of a building on it. All while people sit inside and focus internally.

I pray to God we never make the foolish mistake of blocking our waterfront with this huge stadium. Nearby, inland? Most definitely.

Reuse the silos.

No_Illusions
No_Illusions

It one of the biggest challenges in developing the area. It hard to reuse these structures as residences when there are industrial active sites nearby. General Mills is one thing. Everyone loves Cheerios. They just need to make their property more attractive and open a gift shop/museum/tours and thrive on the free marketing, and they would actually fit right into this plan. Now if your company produces rubber gaskets and the vicinity smells like rubber, who would want to move next to that?

Its a dilemma with no clear solution.

No_Illusions
No_Illusions

It one of the biggest challenges in developing the area. It hard to reuse these structures as residences when there are industrial active sites nearby. General Mills is one thing. Everyone loves Cheerios. They just need to make their property more attractive and open a gift shop/museum/tours and thrive on the free marketing, and they would actually fit right into this plan. Now if your company produces rubber gaskets and the vicinity smells like rubber, who would want to move next to that?

Its a dilemma with no clear solution.

Old First Ward
Old First Ward

But that is the whole point of putting it on the waterfront. It forces infrastructure development and puts transportation issues on the front burner. It also ties downtown with the outer harbor because most of the hotels and all of the businesses are outside of the outer harbor so a shotgun wedding between the two is inevitable. One can't survive without the other. That assumes a convention center with a stadium.

Old First Ward
Old First Ward

But that is the whole point of putting it on the waterfront. It forces infrastructure development and puts transportation issues on the front burner. It also ties downtown with the outer harbor because most of the hotels and all of the businesses are outside of the outer harbor so a shotgun wedding between the two is inevitable. One can't survive without the other. That assumes a convention center with a stadium.

Soccerdude5719
Soccerdude5719

One thing that stadium idea had right is it has to be a retractable roof stadium. Otherwise we might as well throw money into the Ralph. The waterfront would never work due to the amount of infrastructure needed to be built between parking lots, roads, bridges, and public transportation.

Soccerdude5719
Soccerdude5719

One thing that stadium idea had right is it has to be a retractable roof stadium. Otherwise we might as well throw money into the Ralph. The waterfront would never work due to the amount of infrastructure needed to be built between parking lots, roads, bridges, and public transportation.

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