Final Push to Save Bethlehem Steel Today

The Bethlehem Steel
Administration Building may be headed to the landfill officially as news
sources report demolition was slated to begin yesterday. Owners have been
reluctant to see the building reused, even after conversations that detailed
multiple approaches to save the building in a profitable way.

Don’t forget, this piece of
our heritage didn’t get this way overnight. The owners neglected this building
for the better part of
three decades
since they have owned it. 
The building hasn’t made any
friends with Mayor Szymanski either, as he has been a proponent of its demise
from the start.

In previous news reports
Szymanski said, “Pittsburgh adjusted, Cleveland adjusted. Buffalo has not
and if we don’t start making moves and start getting rid of stuff that is
unusable, than we are going to continue to stay where we’re at, which is
nowhere.”

He must not have been aware
of
Bethlehem,
PA “getting over it” as they reinvented their shuttered steel mills
and
created an incredibly successful tourist attraction that is the pride of the
city.
 I have to assume he has never left
Lackawanna to come to nearby Buffalo and see how we have leveraged our historic
assets like the Hotel Lafayette, Larkin District, and so many more.

The degree of
shortsightedness in Lackawanna is startling and considering what has been
accomplished in Bethlehem, PA with their steel mills, serves as a great example
of what could have been and still could be if the right path is taken.

Join those who have been
fighting to save this architectural gem, which is National Register eligible.
 People will be on site today starting at noon
with protest signs in hand in an attempt to make a final push to make the
owners and the Mayor see past the deterioration and realize the irreplaceable
building they have. There will be a fire to keep warm and to roast marshmallows
and media will be present. Dana Saylor, one of the most vocal and active
supporters of reuse, has said, “This is a protest/rally, not a funeral. We are
fighting this one though until the end.”

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73 comments
Onthedownlow
Onthedownlow

Tully.... your insults are lame. Thanks for serving our wonderful country. I truly mean it! But at the end of the day it takes money to maintain, perserve, restore and redevelop. Somebody has to take the risk. This country was not built on socialist mentality.It was built on ideas, risk and people with enough stamina to accomplish their dreams. Therefore, people have the right to express their opinions and the people who own property have the right to do what they see fit as long as they play with in the applicable laws. I am sure the owner will sell the property to anybody who wanted to rehab the building. My point about the $$ is the reality of all realestate projects and if you think its not your a fool.

LouisTully
LouisTully

I took my set to Afghanistan, fella. Don't worry about what's between my legs. Come up with something better than if you don't like it get the cash and buy it yourself. And contribute something better than the typical diarrhea from trolls like yourself.

Onthedownlow
Onthedownlow

Im a tool... get real Tully. Everybody has something to say but no cash to play. Like i said, its a good thing people like you live in the USA... freedom of speech. But try something new... invest in your ideas with some $$. Ideas and "a set of b-lls" built this country and some of those people only had a few a bucks in their pocket but they followed their dream and got it done. So I am suggesting some of the "Savers" put their money were their dream is and follow through. Get a set Tully and all you "Savers" you can do it too.

LouisTully
LouisTully

You're a tool. Is this WAREHOUSEDWELLER?

Onthedownlow
Onthedownlow

The location of this building is not sunset or lake view quality by any standards. Are you people serious.... a restaurant? All you folks with these grand ideas need to come up with some $$ and put your $$ were your mouth is. Go take on a project. Stop crying and get to work! Oh thats right you dont have the guts or the $$ to take the risk. Its easier to tell everybody else what to do with their money. Thank god we live in the USA... freedom of speech is an awesome thing.

ForestBird
ForestBird

"Our Heritage" of rich, cheating f*cks taking advantage of poor working-class slobs & poisoning the air, water, and land while stuffing millions into their own pockets. Level the whole site and let the trees and birds have it.

pampiniform
pampiniform

I was taken aback to casino described as a "tourist attraction" in a BRO article. I remember reading about that when they were building their casino they had high expectations for it. If I recall correctly, there was a delay because they ironically had a hard time getting the steel they needed for it.

paulsobo
paulsobo

Knock down the rear office addition and I could 100% see this building as a Samuel's Grand Manor on the Lake with banquet rooms and conference rooms and hotel rooms.

Plus you have ready clientele from the new businesses occupying the industrial park...conveniently off Route 5. Ford just down the road.

What's missing is investment but as the industrial park gets more populated the risk will drop and the money easier to gain access.

What's missing is time. Are we really going to demolish an irreplaceable building because of timing again

paulsobo
paulsobo

Knock down the rear office addition and I could 100% see this building as a Samuel's Grand Manor on the Lake with banquet rooms and conference rooms and hotel rooms.

Plus you have ready clientele from the new businesses occupying the industrial park...conveniently off Route 5. Ford just down the road.

What's missing is investment but as the industrial park gets more populated the risk will drop and the money easier to gain access.

What's missing is time. Are we really going to demolish an irreplaceable building because of timing again

whatever
whatever

300>"not just parkland. It's also a huge business development site. That is not seasonal... it will be year round business with employees and traffic."

Yes, I've been there. Although the ship canal site can be called 'huge' in size (over 100 acres), I don't know if the employee count & traffic of commuting employees is a 'huge' amount in terms of likely nonseasonal spinoff to nearby businesses. It has

3 companies now, right? - (Sonwill Distribution, CertainTeed, Cobey)

Doesn't it seem like a rather sprawled area around there? Not that there's anything wrong with sprawl when that's what people choose to have, but would workers at those 3 co's really be especially likely to be customers at something across Route 5 at the Bethlehem?

When you & trav bring up closeness of Canalside which is 4 miles away, by that standard of 'close', isn't much of Buffalo then close to Canalside?

If we draw a 4-mile radius around Canalside, yes this Bethlehem building is at the edge - and so well within that circle is most of the west side, all of Allentown, all of the Fruit Belt, all of downtown, the Midtown District, medical campus, Anchor Bar, even the Gallery-Museum District is not much farther than 4 miles from CS…

I'd just wonder again, in terms of likely nonseasonal spinoff from Canalside (which is what - a childrens's museum, public market, hockey tourneys, ice skating …) would a business venture 4 miles away at the Bethlehem be likely to receive a lot of impact?

Let's ask it this way - if you weren't from Buffalo and were assessing this strictly as a financial investment compared to other possible investments you could choose for your $, using only brain not heart & hopes - would you think spinoff from union ship canal business park and Canalside would be big factors? For what kind of business at the Bethlehem?

RaChaCha
RaChaCha

Just saw this great comment on email (remember email?):

Much like Samuel's Grande Manor "up North". Just picture the SPECTACULAR sunsets as guests dine outdoors or indoors...as just like Hoak's guests at the restaurant (vs. upstairs banquet hall) could watch the waves. In summer guests would enjoy our up-and-coming waterfront enthusiasts enjoying windsurfing, jet skiing and sailboating. Those colors against the summer blue would keep them there anticipating the sunset....much like Olcott beach! My point obviously is we could present some of the most enjoyed treats of WNY all from one vantage point. If only folks had vision...

Jesse
Jesse

Looks like nobody here has actually BEEN to Bethlehem, PA.

The entire southeast end was turned into a GIGANTIC Sands resort. You people would shit yourselves silly.

PaulBuffalo
PaulBuffalo

That's odd. Everything I have read over the years said that the facades were left intact during the process. Indeed, I just checked this morning and can find no source or photos that confirms your statement. If true, it's quite interesting.

travelman
travelman

I worked across the street during the process and knew someone on the project.

DrivethePaint
DrivethePaint

I heard they are turning it into a parking lot [deleted].

PaulBuffalo
PaulBuffalo

The city required a set back for the tower and the reuse of the existing store fronts. The fronts were dismantled, refurbished and re-installed when construction was complete.

What is your source that the storefronts were dismantled then reinstalled? I don't remember this at all. It is my understanding that the structures were merely restored.

STEEL
STEEL

Not at this location though.

travelman
travelman

The reuse of a facade was done on Fifth Avenue when a new tower was being built. The city required a set back for the tower and the reuse of the existing store fronts. The fronts were dismantled, refurbished and re-installed when construction was complete. This now the Henri Bendel store at 5th and 56th.

http://www.nycmagazine.com/2011/11/08/henri-bendel/

you can just see the tower at the top of the photo

300miles
300miles

whatever: "The 3 things 300 mentioned are all summer-seasonal"

The Union Ship Canal is not just parkland. It's also a huge business development site. That is not seasonal... it will be year round business with employees and traffic. And as you mentioned, Dug's Dive is no longer seasonal - it's year-round.

Also Canalside is only seasonal now because the permanent buildings have not been built yet. Once the project is more complete it will also be a year-round destination.

Old First Ward
Old First Ward

Szymanski was most likely flattered by an offer of a half dozen pierogies and some cream soda for the demo permit. It is his lone glory ride to notoriety that he would never have achieved for any legitimate reason.

Heck, anyone who spells Jeffrey with a "G" has dubious leadership credentials out of the gate.

Maybe the City of Buffalo ought to seize the property and everything north of Ridge Rd. including the Basilica and Holy Cross Cemetery in the southeast corner. We could accomplish that with a day shift garbage crew. Then we will demo Lackawanna City Hall.

LouisTully
LouisTully

While I think rebuilding stuff is crazy talk, and it would cost a sizable amount to disassemble/reassemble... there was a program on PBS the other night about a European gothic cathedral that >wealthy philanthropist or something from the early part of the 20th century

LouisTully
LouisTully

I can't agree with much of anything you said. I'll leave it there. It's Saturday night and I'm still sort of young.

davvid
davvid

I agree that its a heavy lift to transform an enormous swath of contaminated rust belt land. The planning of that heavy lift is not necessarily heavy though. That last link to the press release was informative. It shows that there is some strategic thinking going on even though I can't find the actual plan. The next step is for the gov't to communicate that plan to the public so that we can actually see if its any good.

Its still not clear to me why any plan would not endorse the reuse of a historic building that could potentially become a really beautiful centerpiece.

MikeN
MikeN

Here is the Aud salvage:

http://www.ci.buffalo.ny.us/Home/Leadership/Mayor/Archive_Press_Releases/2007Archives/December2007/MayorBrownAnnouncesPendingTransferOfAud

The Agreement also includes the removal and preservation of certain “iconic” fixtures – including two stone Art Deco-style American eagles that flank the former front entrance on Lower Terrace; the carved stone Art Deco-style State of New York seal, also on the front façade of the building; and approximately 18 Art Deco-style flag standards and their bases. These fixtures will remain the property of the city.

travelman
travelman

Does anyone know the condition of the interior. I suspect its mostly destroyed. If that is the case then we are really only concerned with the shell. Cant the exterior be salvaged and repurposed? I didn't know about the Aud stone that someone mentioned earlier but think about this for a moment. Paul Sobo has mentioned rebuilding some of our lost treasures. We are on the brink of losing another....that IS a bit removed from any significant development. If the exterior was salvaged a modern interior could be built to receive the beautiful facade. Perhaps in one of the "shovel ready" lots closer to something in town.

whatever
whatever

"quick to demolish"

Ok as a generality, but in this case are you implying that 27 years = quick?

Wasn't it back in 1985 that Gateway bought the property including the building?

"i have 100 questions before i could even begin to brainstorm a path moving forward, but it seems a direct conversation with the owner is the best path."

Also ok of course, but this very well known building's vacancy and risk of demolition have received extensive coverage in various local media over the years/decades…. Buffalo News, this and other blogs, Spree magazine, TV news, …

Would I be an unreasonable jerk if I wondered as a 101st question why those 100 questions weren't already asked before the demo contract was announced?

MikeN
MikeN

Yes, they were of mediocre design and limited purpose. And for one last time....

This was the taking of public (City owned) and sold to a private developer for people whom have the means to use. While I do not inherently oppose this in 99.9% of instances, I do however oppose this due to the location of the property. It was also sold to a developer who had a very rough outline at bid and most of the "follow up" was done behind closed doors. It was also to a developer who just paid to have the mess at Canalside grassed over.

In reality this is a parking revenue grab and for those who can afford a full service hotel (seems to me this will be mostly opposing teams lining the Pegula pocket); a Sabres themed restaurant (more Pegula game day grab); and Ice Rinks - I grew up playing the game and its not cheap nor is economic development around the rinks I grew up playing at of utmost quality.

While on design I could understand he got his elements from historical properties located on the site. Paladino's was mostly a parking garage with office space which I opposed based on the HSBC uncertainty. Secondly, he has enough other cr@p to clean up with in view of Canalside and others.

So no neither proposal in my review passed. It should have been a community asset that was unique and of community benefit.

reuseaction
reuseaction

its been my experience that a lot of commercial owners, particularly those like Gateway that are more invested in businesses unrelated to real estate development, are quick to demolish because of the liability risk that these structures create. for example, how many readers here have already illegally been inside the building? likely more than a few, because the pictures are circulating and we all know people are curious. no problem, right? but in fact, this type of risk can easily be mitigated through demolition. particularly when a corporation isn't invested in a community or in a structure or in the future of this place and instead is motivated by profits and reducing annual costs.

i highly doubt that there is much leverage with the city of lackawanna. mayor szymanski already seems like a vocal opponent. therefore, it seems there is more hope of consensus regarding the building's future, through direct conversations with the owner.

i know very little about the "plans" or motivations of the owner, but as a business owner I would be much more likely to consider possible plans, if real plans/proposals were put on the table. maybe these conversations have already been attempted and they have failed, but it seems that this is where you direct your energy. if a short term plan is proposed and presented to the owners, something that can curb risk while also supporting a future payoff, then MAYBE keeping the building around makes sense, as a future investment. i have 100 questions before i could even begin to brainstorm a path moving forward, but it seems a direct conversation with the owner is the best path.

whatever
whatever

davvid - it depends on what's meant by 'much' when I said "make much happen at that huge former Bethlehem site".

I'm not aware of evidence that he isn't "working with others" (state & county) in that regard to try.

For example -

http://www.dos.ny.gov/press/2012/brownfield8-7-12.html

"Secretary of State Cesar A. Perales and Lackawanna Mayor Geoffrey Szymanski

Unveil City's First Ward Brownfields Redevelopment Plan

ALBANY, NY (08/07/2012) --

New York Secretary of State Cesar A. Perales was joined by City of Lackawanna

Mayor Geoffrey Szymanski, county and state officials to unveil the City's plan to

redevelop underutilized Brownfield properties back to economic use.

...The redevelopment plan establishes a direction for improving the First Ward area, with an emphasis on establishing higher value employment areas, strengthening existing neighborhoods, restoring and protecting natural areas; and providing waterfront access and recreational opportunities.

"Whether it's building a wind farm or revitalizing the area's business parks,

redeveloping Lackawanna's brownfields is a key to spurring new investment and

opportunities to Lackawanna," said New York Secretary of State Cesar A. Perales.

"We are pleased to be funding a balanced plan to spur job growth and

environmental revitalization to the area. I applaud the Mayor and all our local

partners for the work they are doing to revitalize their community."

...

The City's plan identifies five reinvestment areas and strategic sites for redevelopment, each with unique qualities, assets and potential.

… Lackawanna has a land use legacy left from heavy industrial manufacturing that once dominated the landscape. … Nearly half or 1,000 acres of this area consists of the former Bethlehem Steel site, which closed in 1983. ... Lackawanna's First Ward has experienced a number of challenges since the departure of the area's largest industrial employer, including population decline, limited investment in its aging housing stock, high poverty, high unemployment, below average income and below average educational attainment.

Furthermore, it is affected by close to 50 brownfields and vacant properties."

My point was just that it's a very heavy lift even if Bloomberg or (name any mayor of your choice) were trying to make 'much' happen on it.

Btw, he's been mayor for only 1 year so far.

Travelrrr
Travelrrr

It's not in the "middle of nowhere"--it's adjacent to the newly revitalized waterfront AND ship canal. It's five minutes from Canal Side, three minutes from Ohio Street...ie, the very places where we are seeing a huge increase in activity.

r-k-tekt
r-k-tekt

Although I totally agree with you regarding the stupidity of demolishing so many of our great buildings. I feel compelled to correct some of your facts.

The Larkin Administration was not demolished for a warehouse. It was torn down to create a "shovel ready site"....still shovel ready sixty years later.

The "Art Nuveau" building you refer to is Esenwein and Johnson's original art nouveau ornamented Statler Hotel torn down in 1968 for another shovel ready site...now the plaza for Coca Cola field.

The Erie County Savings Bank was torn down not for M&T, but for Main Place Mall and the new Erie County Savings Bank, now Main Place Tower.

All tragedies resulting in what would certainly all be National Historic Landmarks.

davvid
davvid

Why is it unrealistic to expect a mayor to work with others to organize a plan for this land? Is it unrealistic because the land is owned by different private companies? I have been to the pages that you linked. The DEC link is old "The meeting will be held Thursday July 16, 2009 at 7 PM in the Lackawanna Senior Center" so I'm not sure where we stand with the clean-up. The new road.infrastructure is activity but its not a plan. It hints at a plan. UB2020 is a plan for example. There is a long term UB2020 strategy that you can find on a website and that website is regularly updated with relevant news and progress reports.

Mike Puma
Mike Puma

Apparently they are building a corrugated metal shed building for storage. That's the last I heard of it.

whatever
whatever

Just asking -

Would eminent domain even be legal for a preservation purpose? It can for building a public sector need, and in the Kelo decision, the Supreme Court upheld it for private sector economic development projects (in that case, taking someone's house to clear the way for a pharmaceutical plant, which ironically was closed down not long after being built).

But has it ever been legally used anywhere for preservation?

paulsobo
paulsobo

See this is the stupity in my view of why we lost so many of our greatest buildings.

Larkin Admin was demolished for a warehouse...a ware house that could go anywhere.

The Art Nuveau was demolished for a parking lot which today is the baseball field.

The Richardsonian Erie Savings Bank was demolished for M&T but M&T could have built anywhere

You can put a non-descript warehouse anywhere...you dont need to demolish a landmark historic building to do it.

whatever
whatever

I'd doubt that realistically anyone would expect the city govt of Lackawanna to be able to help make much happen at that huge former Bethlehem site, no matter who the mayor is.

As for plans about it - I think what the Gateway company owns is to the west of Route 5 and they operate a port and have a crushed stone co there.

The rest of the Bethlehem site on other side of Route 5 is I think owned by others not Gateway (if I'm mistaken on that, someone can correct me), and it's received some state & county funding for cleanup and infrastructure work (building roads, moving rail, etc).

So yes there's plans/hopes to try attracting more industry.

Here's a couple sources on that...

http://www.dec.ny.gov/chemical/55843.html

http://www.buffalonews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20121129/CITYANDREGION/121129174/1010

LouisTully
LouisTully

What I recall is Gateway wants to build a warehouse on the site of Old North.

LouisTully
LouisTully

"Supporting this is two groups have built two different Frank Wright designs "

And those small projects were a considerable cost. What Paul pitches is to build things of grand size. Things that would cost hundreds of millions. Just the other day he said we should rebuild the old downtown library. I couldn't find a cost of the original > http://www.buffaloah.com/h/library/tc.html

LouisTully
LouisTully

Well, if I recall, my ambivalence was because I would support both proposals because I believed they were both fine developments. Still playing hockey and having coached youth hockey, I am glad they chose the rinks.

Do you think either proposal was mediocre for the Webster block? I don't. They're both fantastic ideas that contribute density and would attract considerable amounts of people. In that case, I would say each is certainly better than the vacant lot there now.

Getting way of topic, regarding Old North, it is nowhere comparable to the discussion. Old North is a marvelous building and it's insane anyone could want it demolished.

As for how we even got to what we're discussing. Rebuilding structures destroyed long ago is equally insane. Fantastic pipe dream; but never going to happen.

whatever
whatever

300>"it's near Dug's Dive and Gallagher Pier and the new sand beach"

trav>"it's adjacent to the newly revitalized waterfront AND ship canal. It's five minutes from Canal Side, three minutes from Ohio Street"

First of all, it's over 4 miles from Canalside, a 10 minute drive according to Google… map here shows the distance:

http://goo.gl/maps/hi5r1

The 3 things 300 mentioned are all summer-seasonal, and those 3 seem consistent with a "lighter, quicker, cheaper" mind set. Yes, Dug's might be open year round, but it isn't a people magnet except for summer. Likewise with Canalside. The ship canal is nice but has very little activity that would offer spinoff.

If being "near" those things makes it a good location realistically worth so many millions to rehab, why hasn't any willing purchaser ever made any serious offer to own the Bethlehem, even if only to maintain or mothball Central Terminal style?

Protest and brainstorming reuses are fine. Nobody should shut up.

Evidently, however, protest & brainstorming aren't enough to save it without anyone ever making an offer to own it and spend enough of somebody's private $ to at least have it comply with building codes.

According to this, many millions would be needed

"... [Lackawanna City] Council President Henry Pirowski said, "In a perfect world, I'd love to see the building still standing." But he also said the Council did not have the authority to prevent the mayor from pursuing the demolition.

Pirowski said he had heard estimates of $5 million to rehabilitate the building.

City Attorney Norman LeBlanc Jr., referring to a letter received by the city, said the estimates were more along the lines of $40 million to $60 million.

"I cannot force Gateway to put $5 to $40 million or whatever the figure is into that property," Pirowski said. ..."

Historic tax credits, even if expanded, certainly wouldn't fund anywhere near 100% of $40M to $60M.

Who would seriously offer the remainder, and if such a person or group exists - why have they been staying silent all along and even today?

If such a person or group does exist, might not those same many millions be more effectively spent in private sector development actually at Canalside?

davvid
davvid

Is there any plan at all for the entire Bethlehem Steel site? It seems like Szymanski is out of ideas and the demo is just to show some kind of action on the site.

MikeN
MikeN

It would/could be a nice park Casino i.e. Beaver Island and a monument/museum/gateway. I love how Higgens et al were touting the large representative dirt mounds that were supposed to represent the industrious past but sit silently now as an actual relic goes into the landfill.

whatever
whatever

Buf_Res>"is not altogether unlike demolishing Father Baker’s masterpiece"

In an aspect that's apparently very impactful for how long a building continues to stand, the Bethlehem is very unlike the Basilica -

The Basilica has a private sector owner (the Catholic Diocese) who is willing to continuously fund it for ongoing uses.

This http://www.ourladyofvictory.org/Parish/Welcome.html

says they hold 20 masses per week in it (3 per weekday, 5 on weekends). That's over 1,000 masses per year.

It also says in addition to masses, they regularly use it for confessionals, baptisms, weddings, rosary events, and other purposes.

So for the Basilica, there's both a willing private sector owner and evidently a very practical ongoing daily use beyond hypothetical ideas.

For the Bethlehem, there's tons of hypothetical reuse ideas suggested in theory, but still no sign of any willing owner.

300miles
300miles

The Buffalo common council and Buffalo's preservation organizations have no say in this because it's in Lackawanna. I don't think Lackawanna even has any preservation orgs (big surprise) and their city govt has shown no interest in preservation. If E.D. was used it would have to be at the county or state level.

MikeN
MikeN

And to this point, your examples are a bit on the dramatic for comparison. They are not the same class.

A position advocating for two or three buildings to be rebuilt is not off the wall. Supporting this is two groups have built two different Frank Wright designs from 80 years ago: a boathouse and non functioning gas station; I believe a third was purchased and sitting in crates somewhere from San Francisco awaiting to be reconstructed.

Neither is suggesting light rail or any sort of rail being used to connect DT with the airport. Nor is moving Oak/Elm connecting corridors to Jefferson.

My point being is this at least provides some sort of productive dialogue of the past and how we link it to a future whether it be new builds adopting some of the designs of the buildings that once stood, or moving people in the future or creating larger areas of opportunity.

At least its not just settling for the mediocre aka the status quo. And unfortunately, its us the people who are required to begin the conversations because of the political ineptitude of the city, region and state.

MikeN
MikeN

I did not say you said that - That being said, you have said something similar in past discussions. In regards to the Webster Block proposals, you did say the following:

"I hate the thought that something is better than nothing but I'm a little ambivalent here. A hockey rink produces constant activity. I just hope they're smart about parking solutions, ie. underground or attractive garage design that doesn't take up considerable space. "

I've enclosed the following link.

http://www.buffalorising.com/2012/06/just-three-proposals-for-prime-canal-side-site.html

It would seem to me you are/were quite willing to settle for mediocrity aka that "something is better than nothing".

And in all fairness I will save you the leg work and stand by the fact that I believe that nothing was better than the 2 proposals that were received. And I still believe that.

Travelrrr
Travelrrr

It's not in the "middle of nowhere"--it's adjacent to the newly revitalized waterfront AND ship canal. It's five minutes from Canal Side, three minutes from Ohio Street...ie, the very places where we are seeing a huge increase in activity.

300miles
300miles

When you say "it's in the middle of nowhere", do you realize it's across the street from the new Union Ship Canal park and business developments? Do you realize it's near Dug's Dive and Gallagher Pier and the new sand beach being added there? Your definition of "nowhere" is a bit off.

STEEL
STEEL

What plan are you referring to??? There is no plan other than the removal of the building. Do you just make crap up just to stir the pot? You should try adding a productive comment once in a while.

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