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Krzesinski to ECC City Campus: Drop dead! | Buffalo Rising

Krzesinski to ECC City Campus: Drop dead!

Patricia Krzesinski, chairwoman of the ECC Board of Trustees, announced in a Buffalo News editorial today that she will push to close ECC’s City Campus in downtown Buffalo.

Lashing out against criticism recently heaped on the board for its proposal to build a $30 million Health Sciences Center for Excellence at its North Campus in Amherst, Krzesinski writes:

I will, at the next scheduled meeting of the board, ask the trustees to begin the task of considering the plausibility of closing the most costly campus to operate. That, of course, would be our City Campus. It is the least efficient to run in terms of square feet per student.

Bernice Radle, chair of Young Citizens for ECC, says after reading Krzesinski’s announcement over coffee this morning that she “couldn’t believe my eyes.”

“This is exactly why we are fighting this fight,” says Radle. “The ECC Board of Trustees has clearly lost its way.”

Radle points to a recent study by RCLCo, a leading real estate research firm, indicating a staggering 88% of Millennials, the generation born between 1986 and 1995, want to be in cities. The firm concluded the Millennials are the most urban generation since at least before World War II.

“The generation Erie Community College will be serving wants to be back in the city,” says Radle. “This weird and alarming proposal to close the City Campus can only strengthen our resolve to bring a new direction to Erie Community College.”

Young Citizens for ECC was formed in April to advocate for stronger linkages between Erie Community College and the burgeoning Buffalo Niagara Medical Campus. The group can be reached at youngcitizensforecc@gmail.com.

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EB_Blue
EB_Blue

Erie Community College offers Tuesday and Thursday GED classes... at its Employment & Training Center in Orchard Park.

skybox
skybox

There is a $14,100 difference between a high school graduate and a high school drop out. So we should really focus on getting students to stay in the Buffalo Schools until graduation. If 47% are dropping out, then ECC won't do them much good until the state pays for them to go back for a GED.

EB_Blue
EB_Blue

There's a $7,100 difference in the yearly income of an associate's degree holder compared to a person with only a high school diploma. So yes, people in the city need this campus.

STEEL
STEEL

I have seen no study which suggests that more people are choosing NCC or if they are why they are choosing that college. Could it be that it has better course offerings? Or could it be NCC's plans for a new downtown campus? Or could it be that that more Niagara county students are actually coming to ECC on a percentage basis but that no one is mentioning that. Maybe NCC is attracting Erie County residents who are afraid of black people. Perhaps this is the real gorilla in the room driving this decision and the real reason the city campus is kept small with limited course offerings?

It is odd to state this NCC thing as a reason for spending $30m when you have no objective study to back it up. Or maybe they do but since they have not mentioned it I assume they have none.

It should be noted that ECC is about 4 times larger than NCC

needles
needles

well I guess I misinterpreted the purpose of your post. I thought you were posting what you believed were valid points, most of which I feel are poppycock!

needles
needles

well I guess I misinterpreted the purpose of your post. I thought you were posting what you believed were valid points, most of which I feel are poppycock!

Greg
Greg

Bobbycat, most of those points have been addressed. And I'll break it down for you and others.

- True 40 some percent attend North. ECC North is also the largest campus of the three campus system. It houses more programs than the other two. So, yes it would be the largest, but as said before, it doesn't make it right. It makes transportation there difficult for those who do not live in proximity to he campus. Amherst is not a central location for the county. If it were, there would be no argument really.

- Yes ECC has spent about $8 million dollars per year over the past 10 years at ECC City Campus between maintenance and capital projects. But, City Campus is still the smallest of the three campus system. Most of its buildings came in the past 15 years. So to say the $80 million over the past 10 years really is a moot point. Still though, Does it make very much sense that the smallest campus is located in the largest municipality? Since the community college is essentially a service, what service is this?

- The chargeback amount is more like 3.4 million per year I think for NCCC which is the college much talked about. Most of the students who attend there go for Nursing or social sciences. (The building in question will be a Health Science building) And, most of these students go part time. Now, is one building going to lure back 3000 Erie County students at NCCC magically and make those charge backs disappear, or would it be better to strategically place a building for the long run? Another question not answered is the amount of Niagara County students attending ECC.

- Parking is not as much of an issue as people think. With a centrally located campus, it is more practical to take mass transit downtown (ECC Students now have free passes). The central location makes it quicker to go from suburb to Downtown than going suburb to suburb. The goal here is to use the free student passes to their fullest potential.

- Jack Quinn has done a nice job marketing the Amherst Campus overall. He makes it sound like a forgotten child in need of a capital improvement. In actuality, it is already the largest of the three campuses. Adding another building there does not serve the students well because it does not fix the poor state of the current stock of buildings.

Is essence, why buy a new big screen TV when the wires in your house are shot?

T.HowellV
T.HowellV

Do these urban street urchins really need this campus? I mean really, if one does not go to a top school what future is there for that person anyhow? We need more trade schools for these hooligans, do you know how much they charge me to open and close my pools every year?

derby98
derby98

Wow, that's amazing that someone with that kind of mind set and mentality could ever have been voted on to the board of directors. I vote that she be immediately terminated.

bobbycat
bobbycat

Aren't you just a bit defensive? I was responding to several earlier comments that were looking for 'facts' or actual statements from ECC.

I am not against expanding ECC downtown, I am just delivering some additional information on things like the charge back to Niagara County, why the ECC board feels it is important to invest in Amherst, and what some of their priorities and concerns may be.

Keep in mind that these are the thoughts coming from ECC leadership. It is easier to fight them if you know how they are thinking.

needles
needles

bobbycat,

Have you read the comments up to this point? Most of your points were addressed.

- Do 49% of ECC students attend North because that's where 49% of the classes/programs are?

- Do capital improvements/maintenance costs decide where the best place is for the region's community college? Does the age difference/purpose of the building have anything to do with why it needs repairs/improvements? Should we take this argument back to 1960 and find the total cost of each campus in today's dollars from inception/construction/land aquisition? Why is 10 years ago the starting point? Because it fits the argument?

- 49% is a stacked deck for a poll. If you put an ECC campus in every town but made Amherst's twice as big, and had a student poll asking which campus they'd prefer to go to, what campus do you think would win? You know more northtown kids go to North, City kids go to City and southtowners go to South. Everyone wants a college in their backyard. Amherst is not the population OR transportation center of WNY. Furthermore, how were the questions asked? By whom? I can go on and on about this one!

- Nobody knows the answer to this question yet but will a better and more centralized ECC in a better downtown/med corridor attract more of those students back and/or maybe some of the urban-curious students from the rural counties?

- Parking could so painfully easily be addressed with the city, who owns the four and six lane "highways" surrounding the school. Nothing says there can't be permanent parking on both sides of most streets in the vicinity of the campus. There's hundreds or even thousands of spots already paved, they just need to be marked.

- Robert Moses ...err... Jack Quinn has got a different idea of what a world class college system is than others do.

bobbycat
bobbycat

A few facts and anecdotes from recent interviews with Pat Krzesinski and Jack Quinn.

- Nearly 49% of all ECC students attend the Amherst campus (per interview with Pat Krzesinski on WBEN, July 1, 2011).

- ECC has spent nearly $80 Million dollars on City Campus improvements over the past 10 years, while they have spent nearly nothing on the North Campus in that same period of time.

- ECC City Campus is undergoing a $9 Million dollar mortar and roof repair project.

- A poll of ECC students in 2009 revealed that the majority of students chose to attend classes in Amherst over the other two classes.

- Erie County loses $8.3 Million each year in chargebacks to Niagara County for Eric County students who attend NCCC. This is a required payment that must be made for all students attending classes in another county. Erie County would receive a similar payment for attracting students from other counties.

- According to Jack Quinn, "Parking is a major problem with the City Campus" he stated that students cannot afford to spend $6 - $10 per day to park in the city, and cannot always afford to metro card either. Parking in Amherst is ample and free.

- According to Jack Quinn, (paraphrased) 'ECC is very interested in building in Downtown Buffalo where it makes sense to the community and students, we have neglected the other campuses to renovate the city campus ad it is time to shift our focus to create a world class college system'

16thStreet
16thStreet

Ok Mr. Smarty pants, you got me! I copied and pasted the same post twice for no apparent reason!

I've worked in both suburban and urban schools and the biggest problem I saw between the two was parent involvment, not the schools or the teachers. Also, I said I saw drugs, not used them or hung out with users. Those kind of assumptions are why I called you a moron.

Now, wasn't this post about ECC?

Pegger
Pegger

Some have already alluded to this. Just who attends and from where? If the city schools are as dreadful as purported on this very site and in the News, why expand in the city? I get it that it would be a real boon to the repopulating and revitalization of the downtown area, but who is being most served? Most of the readers in this forum do not remember when the debate ensued over UB going to Amherst, but I do. It was overwhelmingling applauded as the right choice. That is where the boomers were. Not south, not east, but north. And at that time, the exodus out of the city by families was a tidal wave. I am not justifying the move, just reporting the tenor of those times. Buffalo was overcrowded, filthy and the schools were dreadful even then. I had to attend PS 65 for part of 6th grade when my family was between houses and it was singularly the worst year of my life. Some of the kids from the Ontario Street projects were 15 and still sitting in that classroom as if there was any hope for them. Those were the times! But those teachers had my respect! Dead aims with a chalky eraser!

Respectfully submitted with the facts!

nyc
nyc

and while your at it survey students as to whether i shall dye my hair orange. i'd be interested to know the response.

skybox
skybox

You posted the exact same comment the day after you posted the first. That doesn't happen by accident, but I am glad to see you learned how to spell fiance because you weren't even close the first time.

I'm glad you explained your educational dysfunction with your admission that you hung out with the drug users. That explains a lot, especially the lack of social skills. Your petty taunts of calling others a moron or claiming they are trolling just proves that you lack the ability to objectively argue your point.

BTW, no one claims that the suburban schools are without problems. The suburban schools do offer a superior education for all students, not just a select few who are shuttled off to City Honors. Just imagine what your fiance could have accomplished in life had she had a superior education from an early age.

16thStreet
16thStreet

Not sure why it posted twice but, whatever. Fiancé, there, I'm sure your auto correct never messed up a message you were writing right?

She went to school 69 then HT, her parents had no money for private school.

Want to know what's funny? I went to suburban schools and saw a lot of heroin, pills, coke and partying going on out there, while most of the people I know that went to bp schools saw mostly pot and alcohol.

Suburban schools are not without their problems, if you think they're perfect little havens, you're head is in the clouds.

Keep looking down your nose at the city, we'll do just fine without your shit attitude ;)

Sorry I didn't post right away, I do other things during the day, unlike you who troll a blog all day long.

skybox
skybox

@16thStreet: You pasted your previous comment with the same major spelling error and didn't have the courage or capacity to respond to comments on your post. I hope you are representing the fine Buffalo Public Schools. It is great that your fine cee has done something with her life, but you are obviously lacking the social and mental skills to keep up with the rest of the world. Enjoy that life on the West Side, I hope you can make something of yourself before you drag kids into the mix.

16thStreet
16thStreet

Considering my finecee is working on her phd in bio-chem, and went to, omg, BPS! I think she turned out ok. I'll repete, that's Buffalo public city schools, not private.

I would have no problem sending my kids to public schools because I feel it's equally important for the PARENTS to be involved in a child's education, not just the schools. And, if more people like myself put their supported children into public schools, the better the public schools will become.

I too have friends with children in BPS, and their children are turning out fine.

Maybe the problem is there's a rumor that if you live in the city and send your children to schools there, they'll become drug addicts that can't work a computer. I believe schools are not the only place children learn, and parents play a huge roll.

The Kettle
The Kettle

That's a lame excuse for not getting involved. Again, these people have the same access to government as you do. If you guys would rather not participate, don't complain when decisions are made that favor those who are doing more than criticizing from their armchairs.

jwright
jwright

A Giambra apologist? I thought they were all extinct. Anything relevant you may have to say is crushed by your defense of that idiot. And teachers unions are the source of Krzesinski’s decision? I'm fairly certain it begins and ends with the idiot bracket that she shares with Joel, she most likely would have come to the same conclusion whether she was an accountant, lawyer, or astronaut.

Greg
Greg

What's interesting is that the 2007 study is not readily accessible to the public. If it were, I'm sure you'd see a link from a commenter on this post.

For some facts I just wanna throw out:

North Campus was only recommended for closure by Hoyt and Grisanti because Quinn and co had said North Campus was in bad condition and was in need of a new building (while still not addressing the state of their current buildings). And Giambra, who is still for consolidation.

Now the attendance figures would show a North Campus dominance. However if you look carefully, North Campus is also the largest campus with the most programs offered. So, even if students didn't want to attend North for their program, they have little to no choice. North Campus shows growth either way. In a sense, North Campus would show "growth due to construct and not demand."

Thus, in the situation of a new academic building for ECC: Who ever gets this building will most likely get growth. Young Citizens knows this building is mostly health science, which is the reason why it's wanted Downtown. That is the major reason for the group. Not to save the City, but because it's so obviously health science oriented.

BuffaloQPublic
BuffaloQPublic

For the record, a million thumbs down to Ms. Krzesinski’s slap-shot to close the downtown ECC, just in case she relapses from her rescission of the arrogant remark.

skybox
skybox

We've been on the west side since our early 20's, (we're 25-27 now)

Since your early 20s, means you've been there for what 4 - 5 years?

skybox
skybox

WTF is a finecee? I assume you meant fiance... my question is what schools did she attend and what do her parents do for a living?

Promise me that you'll put your children into the closest neighborhood school instead of City Honors or Olmsted. Let them walk to school every morning and deal with the sites and issues of the 'walkable neighborhood' that you love so much. I hope they turn out great despite the risks. For me, I prefer to raise my children where they are safe and where teachers are more focused on education than crowd control. I'll take care of my children at home but I want an equal education when they get to school. It is tough to focus on studying when you are worried about basic needs like safety.

There are lots of families living in the city of Buffalo and most send their children to the Buffalo Public Schools. Many cannot afford to live in the suburbs or don't choose to live in the suburbs. For me, I don't want to take chances with my children's education to prove a point. You can do what you want, hopefully they'll turn out as PhD candidates someday.

whatever
whatever

Arm, if & when more info is available what's wrong with sharing it, looking at it, etc? For this, it apparently doesn't exist in a recent form if ECC hasn't been asking.

I'm all for ECC making public everything including any surveys they've ever done and enrollment figures for all courses ever. Maybe the Buff News would look at how downtown has done vs Amherst when courses/programs are at both. Let chips fall where they may.

If it's ever shown Amherst is least desired when courses are available elsewhere, I'd be totally open to closing it.....

but I'd be very surprised if you'd say the same if the shoe is on the other foot and downtown is ever shown to be.

whatever
whatever

Steel>"what study are you referencing.. ?"

An objective study would be great. I've commented on here in a previous article that they should ask each prospective student which of Downtown, North/Amherst, or South/OPark would be their 1st choice if courses & programs they want would be available at all 3.

They should also ask all for their 2nd choice.

Results should be public every year.

If it showed Amherst/North is least popular, I'd be surprised but if it's really unpopular enough that's a reason to move some or all of what's at Amherst/North and consider closing it. It's a huge 'if', however.

Are you or Armchair open minded enough to say if the study showed the downtown campus as least popular, you'd say that one should be considered for closure? (....hahaha, yeah right - sure you would! )

Without such a study, my 'most popular' is about enrollment. For those who give importance to anecdotes (I don't), there have been plenty on here on both sides of the argument.

Also there's a growing # of Erie Co resident students choosing the very non-urban NCCC in Sanborn. I have no idea how that could be spun into a sign of pro-downtown interest, but perhaps a creative type can try.

Now I'll turn around the same question to you/Arm/etc - is there any local "study" of ECC students indicating preference for a downtown urban campus is near-univeral enough to close North/Amherst as some keep calling for ?

whatever
whatever

nyc>"people want a downtown campus, not a series of buildings removed from one another... why do you keep talking about it?"

nyc, fair enough if you'd oppose ECC ever having presence in the Statler or AM&A's as much as you already oppose ECC being in Amherst and Orchard Park. If that's your long term view and you'll stick with it, then credit you for one with being consistent about that part.

However, your comment still ducks the other city site I mentioned: BNMC.

There have been advocates even on this blog of ECC having presence at BNMC in addition to continuing where it already is deep downtown.

I wonder if you or the others who complain about multiple campuses would ever oppose that idea for being "2" ECC campuses. I doubt we'd hear the same complaints from you or Bernice's group, etc, but if you're equally against those "2 campuses" ever happening you can clarify if you want.

16thStreet
16thStreet

Considering my finecee is working on her phd in bio-chem, and went to, omg, BPS! I think she turned out ok. I'll repete, that's Buffalo public city schools, not private.

I would have no problem sending my kids to public schools because I feel it's equally important for the PARENTS to be involved in a child's education, not just the schools. And, if more people like myself put their supported children into public schools, the better the public schools will become.

I too have friends with children in BPS, and their children are turning out fine.

Maybe the problem is there's a rumor that if you live in the city and send your children to schools there, they'll become drug addicts that can't work a computer. I believe schools are not the only place children learn, and parents play a huge roll.

KangDangaLang
KangDangaLang

My only question to you is this. What will happen when you have kids, and you want to send them to school? That was a real question by the way, and was not meant to come off snarky. At my job I have two girls who recently just graduated from BPS. They both came up to my department on Friday to reset their passwords. I was amazed at how uncomfortable they were with a computer (failure to use the caps lock key correctly, unable to use the shift key at all). One didnt even know the difference between a period, and a comma. My girlfriend and I were actually having the education conversation with a couple friends we had over last night, and we all agreed that city schools are just not good enough, and that moving to the city was out of the question. (ps my friends actually live in the city, and they said when they have kids they will move).

ptruesdale
ptruesdale

WOW. Where did this power delusional woman come from? It's bad enough that we live in a community with a brain dead, do nothing, obstructionist mayor and political structure, but now the chair of a third(?) tier community college is going to push around the idea of closing access to an education for the city's youth is unfathomable. Where in the world is this woman stuck, 1955? My fantasy is that she is an out of touch, suburbanite (sorry suburban people I know you are all not right wing only do what's good for me types) with some latent racism thrown in. She is supposed to represent the best interests of our community and it's students, isn't she? Get rid of her!

16thStreet
16thStreet

Skybox, you are a moron. We've been on the west side since our early 20's, (we're 25-27 now) and have no intent on moving out to the car dependent suburbs.

Looking around my neighborhood, I see a lot of other young couples moving in and improving the area as well.

Speak for yourself.

irishmedic716
irishmedic716

I was just recently accepted into the Emergency Management Program @ City Campus. Would it be more convienient for me if this class was offered at North Campus? Sure. As I'm a Generation Y'er who ran to suburbia from my abode in the City.

I think what they need to do is specialize the campuses. I believe with the abundance of Hospitals, Specialty Medical Facilities, etc; City Campus should be become a medical school with LPN, Nursing, Emergency Medical Services,Emergency Management,and other medical related fields.

Right now someone can take EMT-Basic at all three campuses,Advanced EMT at North or South Campus, and lastly Paramedic at South Campus. The reasoning for the last is stricty, in my opinion, convienience for staff only.

I believe the closure of ECC City would be wrong, and another bonehead mistake for our region.

As to the people who posted somewhat off topic about living in the city, raising there families in the city, I applaud you. However I will say, as a 31 year old who lived in the city for over 10 years with my wife and 2 children, your perspections will change. My wife and I were in the same belief of walking the kids to Delaware Park, the museums, the Elmwood Strip, etc. However, as we learned, city schools WILL NOT CHANGE. The problem is the bureaucratics of the system, contracts dating back to post Civil War days, the bussing of your children all over the city. We ended up starting our daughter off in an Amherst pre-K program for two years and she has since attended private school & excelled(and my wife and I are blue collar working stiffs). Would she have had that same reinforcement in public? Knowing the children in the old neighborhood...no.

Besides, just because someone has moved to the suburbs doesn't mean they are evil and anti-city. I still follow city politics more than I do my own town's. I still take my kids to Squaw Island Park, Bird Island Pier, Central Wharf, Outer Harbor, and museums too. I'm quite tired of the villianization of people who have left the city.

The Kettle
The Kettle

Skybox>"Too many millenial children are still living in a fantasy world, and we shouldn't make critical decisions based on their opinion of what this fantasy should look like."

If you and others living outside this "fantasy world" want critical decisions based on your values, you are going to have to step up to the plate like these guys are. Like other citizen groups that get badmouthed here (preservation, lighter faster cheaper etc), they are going out of their way to influence public policy to reflect the region's "fantasy world" dwellers wishes.

If you don't like the outcome, nothing is stopping you and like minded people from forming groups of your own to influence policy to be more in line with your beliefs. Perhaps you can form a group called Old Citizens Against the Fantasy World and lobby for a single suburban campus, a "there's nothing to do on the waterfront" awareness campaign, or just city bashing in general.

phrank
phrank

The argument is weak. By this thinking, we should close County Hall and move to cheaper space per square foot in the suburbs. I guess City Hall could operate cheaper if they operated from an office park instead of a 1920s tower. And UB would be best served if it moved from the city to cheap swampland in Amherst. Oh, wait...

nickinthebox
nickinthebox

Anyone who attends classes at more than one campus realizes this fact. It's precisely why programs are being eliminated at City and moved to North and South. Attendance is greater at both North and South. I'd argue that grades are higher at North and South. I can tell from my personal experiences that morale is higher at North and South.

The Kettle
The Kettle

Only people presenting conflicting viewpoints are required to back their comments up with case studies, spreadsheets, full citations with end notes, etc.

Things like Amherst's campus being most popular, City Campus being more expensive to run, or rants about people's desire for city living as "living in a fantasy world" get a pass on the "objective source" test. People who feel differently better do some research before expressing their views here.

STEEL
STEEL

What study are your referencing that shows Amherst is the most popular of the 3 campuses?

Exchange
Exchange

Skybox is dead-on - check out the documentary, "Chocolate City," and you'll see it for yourself. As with CGirl, I too live in DC. That said, I'm here to get some solid professional experience so that I can move back to Buffalo and effectively contribute to the advancement of the city and region. In the meantime, I'm working channels inside the federal government to boost Buffalo's image and encourage investment there. Unfortunately, inept leaders like Krzesinski make this task very difficult. Even Mayor Brown blew what would have been a multi-million dollar housing grant (unknowingly) because he couldn't explain the city's economic development agenda to a White House official. I can only do so much on my own.

AICPUrbanPlanner
AICPUrbanPlanner

Sam Hoyt was just self-silenced on this issue by accepting a Empire State Development Corporation job. He doesn't even know what he will be doing yet (see WIVB interview). His silence is now purchased with a cushy NYS Cuomo patronage job at our expense. Wow the developers standing to make a bundle off of a new North ECC campus have made the right campaign contributions and in the right amounts.

nyc
nyc

people want a downtown campus, not a series of buildings removed from one another. as lip service they talk about occupying these "iconic" buildings so everyone feels warm and fuzzy about their intent to build a health science building on north campus. but everyone sees through that as noted in comments above. why do you keep talking about it?

DeanerPPX
DeanerPPX

I received the following succinct reply from Ms. Krzesinski:

"The Board has no desire to close any campus."

I'll give her props for returning an email on a Saturday during the holiday weekend. But I would take it, from that response, that she either realizes the futility of her request, or that she simply made the comment as a scare tactic to stir up some trouble. Either way, she's now dug herself a hole by even mentioning such a proposal.

whatever
whatever

How hypocritical if any who've ever demanded in comments on this blog that ECC should close its North/Amherst largest most popular campus are now among those flipping out about them even pretend-considering closing the city campus.

If 3 is really too many campuses and that's supposedly the main issue, why not consider all possibilities with neutral criteria?

This could including defining a 'campus' - why would multiple ECC buildings spread apart in the city all count as 1 campus if it's really the count that matters most?

Greg
Greg

I completely agree. However, these are their professional emails. I found these on a public website associated with suny schools.

needles
needles

Expanding ECC *does* make ECC City safer. The most immediate and important impact we can have on safety downtown is to build a critical mass of people. A very wise young lady once called it "eyes on the street" and "self-policing". By simply expanding ECC's presence downtown, it inherently becomes safer. Of course, we'd also need to talk about expanding the roles of BPD/ECC Security/police cameras etc. but a large piece of the puzzle gets addressed automatically.

Also, what's the deal with the superhighway like roads around the campus? Could The City stand to make those four- and six-laners narrower with permanent on-street parking? Maybe even ECC parking pass only surrounding the school. That'd alleviate some parking complaints and slow down the whizzing traffic!

Mike Duff
Mike Duff

I've lived and worked downtown for many years. I have also never been assaulted, but I have been harassed and my car was broken into twice in front of my house in North Buffalo. I personally have gotten over any incident, but that is me and everyone handles things differently.

Safety and quality of life are continual problems that the city struggles with due to a combination of factors. Unfortunately for the city, the suburbs offer a very affordable and viable alternative for most people in the area. We either address this or continue to struggle. Ignoring it or explaining it away doesn't do us any good.

Mike Duff
Mike Duff

You really have no right to write to their personal email addresses or invade their private lives because you don't agree with their stance on this issue. Limit your email and phone calls to their professional address only.

HutchTecher
HutchTecher

I live downtown (on swan st), I went to hutch tech high, and all my young odd jobs have been DT. I am now at ECC city taking a mix of day and night classes. I have walked home through all of downtown at all hours from all of these places, including chippewa at 330 am... Im going to tell you that I have never been assaulted, robbed, shot at, or raped in the years I have lived here. I know im not a 55+ white female driving a nice vehicle which would probably make a better target to steal from then me, but I will tell you this place isnt dangerous.

With that being said, if safety is the issue then lets address it not run from it. Like you said they feel safe just a few blocks away so why cant that be done here?

Krzesinski said she is disheartened that local politicians are against her plans and they need to step aside. These politicians represent me as a citizen of their district and I think they should be involved, just like Patricia is partly in charge of a school that I PAY to be in. Her views should reflect what the students want and could benefit from the most.

I dont want to be too off topic, but safety is an excuse which can be addressed. SHUTTING THIS PLACE DOWN IS WRONG.

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