“Absolute Power Corrupts Absolutely”

For anyone who attended the Silent Exchange electronic music festival at The Yard on Saturday, I am sorry that you had to witness Buffalo’s Men in Blue in such a sorry state. As fifty young music fans stood around watching a DJ spin on stage, Buffalo Police filed onto private property and threatened the crowd to disband or pay the consequences. Despite the fact that the proper permits had been filed with City Hall, that would allow the music to go on until 10pm, Buffalo Police would not listen to reason, only resorting to ‘police state’ tactics as the young music fans looked on in bewilderment .

One of the reasons that The Yard was chosen for the event was that it is widely known that the bandshell at LaSalle Park is next to impossible to book unless you have an ‘in’ with The City. So that means that the only other alternative when it comes to holding a concert at a permanent outdoor music festival is The Yard. The Yard is not in a residential neighborhood. Nor is it in a commercial neighborhood. It’s located in an abandoned industrial area surrounded by nothing and no one. Maybe sometime in the future this might be inhabited by college students, but that’s just not the case at this point in time. So how do the police claim that there was a noise complaint, especially since the music could not be heard until you turned the corner of the building and actually saw the stage?

Why did the Buffalo Police Force (D-District) decide to shut down a concert with fifty people in attendance? Nobody seems to know. The organizers had all of their permits in place. When filing for these permits, the organizers duly notified the police jurisdiction, so that the authorities were well aware of the event. There was even a rent a cop at the door checking IDs. It was in broad daylight when a slew of police cars showed up to raid the event and shut it down. Young and old people stood watching in amazement as the police officers got out of their cars with Billy Clubs in their hands demanding that everyone vacate the premise. I’ve never seen anything like it, and am still mind boggled as to what happened and why.

It is a true travesty to have experienced such blatant intolerance over the weekend.  Especially when all that the promoters were trying to do was to shine a positive spotlight on a part of Buffalo that needs a lot of help. What better way to do that than encourage creative young people and social entrepreneurs to help take part in the city’s renaissance? There was no out of control crowd, or behavior, that should have prompted a cavalcade of no less than eight police cars to show up when they did.  

It should also be noted that this was not the first time that they had checked on the premises.  Throughout the day the police continued to pay a visit to The Yard feigning any knowledge that a legitimate show was underway. Each time they arrived they were assured that all of the appropriate measures had been followed and nobody was being bothered. The promoter went out of her way to find a location In Black Rock that would not upset or offend anyone. Wouldn’t you think that there would be more pressing issues to be fought by the police rather than breaking up a music festival? If these are the types of pressing matters that the Buffalo Police are combating, then maybe we should be more afraid of their devotion to non-threatening issues, especially when gang violence should be a high priority. Obviously in this case they would rather spend their time harassing the people who are trying to do good things for the city than fight real crime.

The two primary investors in the show, who are based out of Manhattan, throw festivals mostly in cities such as Miami, Los Angeles, and New York.  Next month, they are even focusing their efforts on the scene in Brazil.  Therefore, Buffalo, was a new experience  for them, and one that wouldn’t have been on their radar, if not for the tireless work of a local promoter, (who just moved back to Buffalo – welcome back from the Buffalo police force).  All three were extremely happy with the Buffalonians who were there to hear the caliber of music that the DJs were spinning.

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The cops could not have picked a worse time to start their harassment (is there ever a good time?) And the harassment continued until they got what they came for – locking people inside the gates while locking others out. In talking with the investors, as the police proceeded in closing down the show, they were already writing Buffalo off of their radar, and for good reason in my opinion.  Considering how everyone’s time and money was just throw away in a matter of minutes, without so much as an explanation, or being given a name of a higher up on the force who could help to handle the situation in the correct manner.

What a shame for the music community of Buffalo, especially when we usually have to take ourselves, and our money, to Toronto to experience a festival of this kind.  The concert was scheduled as a welcome back event for college and university students. It was a bike-friendly event with a cook out and giant games of Scrabble and checkers were being played. Artists were brought in to paint landscape paintings of the buildings. The Buffalo Police saw none of this. Have you ever heard the expression, “Absolute power corrupts absolutely”?

The DJs were flown in from all over the country and most never even got to spin. It’s ironic actually… all morning we thought that the rain was going to wash out the show.  Little did we know, that it was going to be the Buffalo Police Department that would rain on our parade.  Shame on them and shame on the people who gave them the orders to shut down the Silent Exchange music festival.

*Photos taken by a local business owner who prefers not to be mentioned by name and a nationally recognized journalist who just happened to be at the festival. 

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Founder of Buffalo Rising. Co-founder Elmwood Avenue Festival of the Arts. Co-founder Powder Keg Festival that built the world's largest ice maze (Guinness Book of World Records). Instigator behind Emerald Beach at the Erie Basin Marina. Co-created Flurrious! winter festival. Co-creator of Rusty Chain Beer. Instigator behind Saturday Artisan Market (SAM) at Canalside. Founder of The Peddler retro and vintage market. Instigator behind Liberty Hound @ Canalside. Catalyst behind the Pierce-Arrow Film Arts Center. Throws The Witches Ball at The Hotel @ The Lafayette. Themed New Years mayhem at various locations. Next up: Porchfest... Also offers package tours of the city for groups or individuals. Contact Newell Nussbaumer | Newell@BuffaloRising.com

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Tom Jones
Tom Jones

In my day we would have refused to shut down & leave. Tension would have escalated bringing national news attention to the situation. Some would have spent the night in jail. But there would have been investigations, & hearings. People would have been forced to resign or get fired. They prefer your passive approach of just posting about it on a local site, because it will get you nowhere. If you had all the legal permits & permissions, no law was being broken. Refusing a reasonable request of an officer is not valid here. You were legal, & investors had invested in the event. It is not illegal to refuse an unreasonable request of an officer, which would have been the case here. If they arrest or hurt you, you can sue them & possibly have them sent to jail. Next time refuse unreasonable requests, & have witnesses so it gets on the national news.

mr_anderson
mr_anderson

Oh please.

No from your Socialism / Fascism / Palin comments I'm not a republican nor a democrat or Republicrat as it should be but politically neutral.

Verdan
Verdan

Don't blame me for complaining - I didn't, and wrote here that I'm about 3/4 of a mile away, so of course my windows were not "raddling". I was only saying that your speakers could be heard this far away. We neither knew nor cared where it originated, but guessed it was an event on Grant. The family consensus was: "annoying, but that's life in the big city".

I wish you luck (really) getting satisfaction from the City officials; it'll be interesting.

sonyactivision
sonyactivision

Sue the complaining neighbors who damaged your event by their misuse of police resources. The cops can also get money from these scumbags for that very same cause. Identify who these people are and serve them. The only way to shut up nosy and noxious neighbors is to sue :)

whatever
whatever

This something I was trying to say. Ben said it better:

"focus on the fact that you had valid permits, and that you were shut down anyway. ...Getting into the details of who complained makes it a pissing match"

You'll never be able to prove he didn't get complaints or where they did or didn't come from, so yes that part will sound like a pissing match.

But it shouldn't have mattered even if there were real complaints. Neighbors have a free speech right to complain all they want and for any motive they want. But your permit gave your event valid legal permission. That shouldn't have been forcibly canceled without a very good and clear reason no matter who may have complained or why.

benfranklin
benfranklin

My defense of the previous administration would be solely on the grounds that they were attempting to protect us from outside forces. Now we have a government that would like to be front and center in many more aspects of our lives.

I do see a parallel between individual citizens trying to accomplish something (like this event), and what seems to be an ever growing government boondoggle that wants us to behave in a certain way (do you have a permit for that?), but at the end of the day can't shoot straight (this event is over). A government that attempts to do too much does it at too a high a cost, and performs the task miserably.

Most here would say I'm stretching the point, but I think the answer would be pretty clear from the young people who attempted to hold this event. Do you think they'd like more or less government? We'd all be better off with less.

benfranklin
benfranklin

One of the festivals you mention started out the first year with just a few kids having a parade around a building. The second year a couple got married, and the parade got a little larger. Each year it got a little bigger. Now it's the Allentown Art Festival.

Most people aren't aware of all the effort that goes into any worthwhile project. You obviously have a passion for something (this type of project), so regardless of the crowd size (at this first effort), or whether or not 90% of us don't fully understand what you're up to, the effort and the event broaden the experience that someone can have in WNY. For that you should be thanked, not told to disperse.

Use the coverage you may get to focus on the fact that you had valid permits, and that you were shut down anyway. That rings of something wrong to everyone. Stick to that message. Getting into the details of who complained makes it a pissing match, which may get you dollars in a courtroom, but it won't win you support in the court of public opinion.

whatever
whatever

Good that you showed that wording to him, and hopefully it can also help you by pointing it out to a judge if you pursue a court case. It would be nice if Golombek was at least a little embarrassed to read it.

Honestly this doesn't sound to me like a shady grand conspiracy - more like dumb judgement and power tripping by Golombek and Quinn, both of whom should've known better.

To make amends, they should apologize (that won't happen of course). More important Golombek should work to improve the event permitting policy so there's a clearly stated reasonable level of decibels instead of leaving it up to arbitrary decisions by police.

silentexchange
silentexchange

First Off I would like to thank everyone from the bottom of my heart for all the support before, during, and after this event. I do not in any way shape or form see this event as a fail. Silent Exchange was worked on for four months to make sure everything was as organized and by the book legal as possible so these problems would not occur. And I can say it was. If this event was taking place in a residencial neighborhood I would have made proper promotion in the area to make sure the residents new. This was not the case. The outdoor entertainment space is on a industrial property where the owner owns 5 acres of land. Would I really think I would have had any noise complaints, not in mine or anyone else doing an event on this properties right mind.

This event was something I wanted to do for Buffalo to share what I have experienced over the past few years between nyc and berlin. Bring Music I can find here close to never open up a door to a new experience and new event in buffalo. I do not plan to stop doing these events, and encourage those who have replied saying this makes them want to leave, stop doing this or that ...that you shouldn't. That's how a city dies. We are all creating this city together and if you abandon it you let them win. In this case I can honestly say there "power" was misused. Until a name was dropped, media was brought up I wouldn't get a meeting with anyone. Its sad. Really Sad.

It was also brought up that maybe the people in that neighborhood weren't ready for this type of event/music so should I be punished because some people are miserable as a few people said in these meetings and close minded to new things? (I will not name names)

I think thats discrimination. And not to mention peoples typical response to electronic music usually has a negative impression in their mind I was trying to shed a new light on it for the community.....Soul Clap was playing re-edits they did for a new wolf and lamb ep of michael jackson, paul simon, steve nicks...i mean come on.,

Of course I am sad this happen frustrated of the lack of any reasonable answers or proof for that matter and sorry to those I "raddled there windows" which I would like to let everyone know we will re-enact the sound of this event for legal purposes to prove this is just not the case. We were at 94 decibals at the back of the venue which runs along the Scajaquada doesn't that make enough noise in itself?

I would not have risked that much if i thought this was at all possible....Maybe its my fault for thinking buffalo was ready for this type of event? But then I think no you are. But its up to you to open yourself up or not. People assume, judge, and make comments without any knowledge and shut things off immediatly and these are usually the people that complain they have nothing to do. Well one of my favorite sayings said to me by a friend a few months back is "your ability is your duty". This was my case I saw I had the ability to do something so it was my duty to pursue it.

It's not like I was paid to do this I spent hundreds of hours on working on this event and thats not event the hours put in by Dino who helped me supported me throughout the past four months, he wanted to see this succeed just as much as me for the love of Buffalo. I mean come on Dino has a tatoo of City Hall with Buffalo under it....He wants to see Buffalo have a positive light ....

Bottom Line is. There is no proof no messages saved on Joe's machine, no 911 calls that are on records. And from the meeting today Joe even second guessed that the cops were sent to the right event! Accordings to City Hall there were 6+ events going on that day I will be finding out exact locations to determine if this could have been the case. All meeting I have had do say they are deeply sorry, and they would have handled things differently.

We did everything 100% right. I had a demographic of 18 to 70's there. This was not a wild out of control young crowd I would say half the people there were above 28.

There is no other side of the story I have MANY witnesses, and joe was offered to have the media in on our meeting he denied if there was another side to this why won't anyone allow our meetings to be sat in on. I have nothing to hide....These other festivals events the city has with all permits in tact they want me to think that there are no complaints...would they ever shut down the elmwood art festival? allentown? italian festival got noise complaints absolutely not. Aren't these in 100% residencial areas.?

I can go on forever so many things to say......we will be taking legal actions against the city. This was not a low budget event, we really went all out for you all.

And shady business all the way around on the city's end "OFF THE RECORD"

again thank you all for the support. I am sorry to those I apparently disrupted, we will be checking on that sound with a lawyer soon. A positive event taking place in your neighborhood probably the most positive you have seen in a long time. not the last time either. I encourage you to read http://silentexchange.blogspot.com try to see what this event was actually about.

Silent Exchange will happen again. Sorry no spell check on this one im far to tired.

Black Rock Lifer
Black Rock Lifer

Amazing that people whine about live music while living next to the daily roar of the Thruway. I live about 2-3 blocks from this site and I have never been disturbed by loud music. I am glad to see Rock Harbor bringing people to the neighborhood and hope this doesn't affect future events.

ilovemesomebuffalo
ilovemesomebuffalo

"it must have been ear-killing, up close." coulda, woulda, shoulda- you have very strong opinions for someone that was not there. tell me were your windows rattling?

my bad for the spelling, i apologize. We are saying there are no proof of complaints. The police state they have no calls through 911 dispatch, and the only complaints had were to Golombek's home. Not his office his home. We were told concerned residents disrupted by the event approached event organizers, it was a lie. We reached out to two people that head a block club and were hung up on. None of the so called complaints hold any water. I do not know how many people in this city have their councilman's home phone number, I sure do not. There is something not right here. Chain of command is way off. I call the police when I have a problem. If the police do not do anything then I take further action.

Clearly you are one of the people who had an issue with this event, so why don't you step up and help organizers make sure we can avoid any future problems?

and whats with the low blow about people in attendance ? its very unnecessary and shows exactly the kind of attitude we are dealing with. Im willing to forget about your childish statement if you make the effort to discuss what exactly you had against this event and help make sure we can avoid this in future events.

spell check complete!

Verdan
Verdan

Probably as many decibels as needed to reach almost 3/4 mile away, where I heard it all afternoon. It must have been ear-killing, up close.

Are we saying that nobody complained, there were no calls, and the police were responding to a divine premonition that there was a problem?

Btw, continuing to misspell Mr.Golombek's name is just plain insulting. You should be happy to have this publicity, after your event drew a paltry 50.

ilovemesomebuffalo
ilovemesomebuffalo

this was brought to Joe Golumbeks attention and he could not provide an answer for us.

ilovemesomebuffalo
ilovemesomebuffalo

he kept saying his machine was full of complaints. why would you erase them? beside all of that, he said people in his community came to the event to try and talk to organizers and where ignored. that i can promise you is not the case. we tried over and over to reason with police and we would have respected anyone who came to us with a concern. this event was for the people of buffalo after all. bottom line here... where the hell are the neighbors? according to golumbek complaints came from Bradley, and Danforth streets over 1300 feet away. Any sounds people out the know how many decibels it would take to rattle windows from 1300 feet away?

Verdan
Verdan

Did Joe Golombek say that nobody called him, or that he had no proof somebody called him? What would constitute proof of a phone call to one's home ?

whatever
whatever

If you talk with either of them again, you should direct Gipson and Golombek to the ordinance shown on the city web site and ask them what's their interpretation of the line "This provision shall not be construed to prohibit public performances being conducted in accordance with the provisions of a special permit granted by the city."

That doesn't say neighbors, council members, or the police have legal veto power over issued permits.

http://www.bpdny.org/Home/Community/QualityofLife

"Section 4:

The following acts and the causes thereof are declared to be in violation of this chapter and to constitute unreasonable noise:

A. The use of any sound-reproduction device outside a structure either on private property or on a public right-of-way or public space at any time within the residential areas or within the commercial areas which by causing noise, annoys or disturbs the quiet, comfort or repose of a reasonable person of normal sensitivities. This provision shall not be construed to prohibit public performances being conducted in accordance with the provisions of a special permit granted by the city."

ilovemesomebuffalo
ilovemesomebuffalo

look for the silent exchange story tonight on channel 7 @ 5 and 6 pm

ilovemesomebuffalo
ilovemesomebuffalo

after meg and I met with golumbek today, he can provide no proof that complaints were made to his home. Commissioner gipson told us he had no calls to 911 that he was aware of and to his knowledge the only complaints went to councilman golumbeks house.

ilovemesomebuffalo
ilovemesomebuffalo

I am sorry I should have been more clear... the SOUND was cut by half when Lt. Quinn arrived and notified us it was too loud. We cut it down by half, and asked the Lieutenant if it was a reasonable level, he responded sounds fine to me, but if i get more complaints its over.

whatever
whatever

You say cut by half? From the News linked by peripatetic: "Still, the event attracted the attention of law enforcement at 1, 3:30 and then again at 7 p. m., when Northwest District police shut it down."

If the first complaint was 1pm, does that mean it started at noon? If it was planned to be from noon to 10, and they stopped it at 7, that's being cut by 30% after allowing 70% of it to happen. That's not cutting by half.

Still, it sounds like there are real problems about what the police did. The police spokesman is quoted saying "they misunderstood that just because you have a permit, doesn’t mean you have carte blanche."

However, the city noise ordinance stated on the BPD web site I linked yesterday says at the end:

"This provision shall not be construed to prohibit public performances being conducted in accordance with the provisions of a special permit granted by the city."

That wording sure sounds like carte blanche. There's too much left to interpretation. Police don't shut down Rockin at the Knox even though that's louder for a lot more residents.

Probably the common council should modify the ordinance to make it less vague. Maybe it should specify some level of decibels some distance away from a permitted event. Maybe there'd be different levels of permit where some outdoor music events aren't allowed to go past 7pm and others could be - but that should be decided at permitting time and spelled out clearly on the permit, not arbitrarily decided by police during an event as happened to you. You're right to be angry about the whole thing.

benfranklin
benfranklin

The initial complaint phone call to Golombek's office seems odd, but equally suspicious is his apparent ability to get police action without leaving a trail. Do multiple police cars move on the whim of a councilman?

ilovemesomebuffalo
ilovemesomebuffalo

Its DeGeorges Job to defend the police, he is their spokesmen. However, after meeting with commissioner Gipson the event organizers were told there were no calls they were aware of to 911. Since when is your council member police dispatch? I would not call my councilmen unless the police failed to protect. After the event organizers talked to Golumbek, he could not provide any legitimate complaints. this is why this is being investigated. The event organizers suspect foul play.

As far as the police, the music was cut by half when the event was visited, event organizers asked over and over again what is a reasonable sound. Lt Quinn could not provide that answer, and whoever gave him the order had already made up his mind to shut the event down.

oldwaiter
oldwaiter

According to the Buffalo Police the Silent Exchange Festival wasn't so silent after all---

“There were numerous noise complaints from neighbors,” said Michael J. DeGeorge, Buffalo police spokesman. “Many of these complaints went to Council Member Joseph Golombek’s house Saturday afternoon and evening.”

DeGeorge said police paid the two earlier visits and warned organizers that if they had to return a third time there “was a good chance they would have to shut down the event.”

“I think [Mann’s] heart was in the right place. She meant well and tried to do good,” De- George said, “but they misunderstood that just because you have a permit, doesn’t mean you have carte blanche.”

BlueBuffalo
BlueBuffalo

Email one of the Buffalo News reporters who writes stories in the "City & Region" section... send them the link to this story. They can't just push this story under the rug.

Matt Gryta

NEWS STAFF REPORTER

mgryta@buffnews.com

bud_boomer
bud_boomer

it is my understanding you need "music permit" if you're a venue that regularly hosts music events. you need a "dance permit" if you function as a chippewa-esque dance club. if you have special events permits, you probably should be fine, but the language is vague enough in a lot of these codes that the city can kind of do whatever it feels like, unless you have the resources to sue them.

BlueBuffalo
BlueBuffalo

mr_anderson... the problem is people like you who don't take the time to read something and just want to scream fascism.. socialism... You probably don't even know the difference between them. If you read benfranklins comments you can clearly see that he doesn't support Obama, just like you. Cool it dude! You'll get your crazy Palin in 7 years. Good luck with that! Let freedom ring!

And benfranlink regarding your "...now you're just unamerican/racist if you don't agree 100% with the president." statement. Where the hell where you for the past 8 years when everyone against the war or who spoke up against the president was truly seen as un-American and probably had the FBI listen in on their phone calls?

ilovemesomebuffalo
ilovemesomebuffalo

all permits were posted, and copies were provided to police. the told us that the permits have been revoked. Cheif Anthony Barba from D district is apparently out of town.

If you check the city of buffalo website Silent Exchange is a city approved event under upcoming special events

ilovemesomebuffalo
ilovemesomebuffalo

music and dance permit? they exist? not to my knowledge. I wouldn't be surprised, considering you need a permit to wipe your ass in this city. The point here is all permits were in place and they shut it down anyway. the event creator meg, the investors, and myself were the ones who tried to reason with the police with all the respect in the would.

tired
tired

One thing no one has said is whether or not the cops were shown the permit or if it was posted somewhere where it could be seen. Another thing that this story is lacking is contact with the permits department to see if they did issue a permit and then contact with Blosatt at D District for a statement. As far as politicizing, get a freakin' life. This stuff has been happening for years.

Eisenbart
Eisenbart

Not sure if they had a music AND dance permit butttttttt... I can only guess but I assume someone mouthed off to the cops and they shut it down. In to which I would say "Welcome to anywheresville real life were when it comes to the cops you drop the attitude and show respect and do what they say." Legality and common sense depending.

mr_anderson
mr_anderson

Give me a break BenFranklin...

If you don't agree with Obama your racist?! How are you racist for disagreeing with him?

Is a black person racist for disagreeing with Bush? NO.

Quit using the race card to drown out Obama's critics.

Just join the civilian national security force and feel good pushing opponents round calling them racist and bigots for not licking boot.

It's Bush's 3rd term.

Standonyou82
Standonyou82

This is a blatant violation of property rights and the 4th amendment. Let's not even bring up profiling and harassment. Those cops pulled a patrol car through the gate like they owned the place.

I'm happy to see all of the comments. Keep them coming.

Doc_Wheeler
Doc_Wheeler

50 kids get kicked out of a free concert. Now that is news we need.

paul morgan
paul morgan

HEY, what gives? When I post anything negative about the goings on in this town I am accused of scaring off multi-million dollar investors, or offending loyal ex-pats in the Carolinas...who is going to make up for the vast unrealized Ohioan revenue caused by this post?

whatever
whatever

I could be wrong but I think small lock-ups towns have are used mostly for relatively minor crimes handled by town judges or for very short term stays (shoplifting, DUI, etc). For more serious crimes handled by county judges, or for longer stays, I think towns usually transfer prisoners to the county Holding Center.

carl
carl

i use to work for a swimming pool in the city which had trouble with gang activity. When ever we had a serious problem, it usually took between 45 minutes to 2 hours for the police to show up.

there was a station 4 blocks away.

STEEL
STEEL

Hope they don't shut down Music is Art too.

whatever
whatever

I agree it need not be either-or. A policy change to imprison more convicted criminals could easily coexist with govt efforts to reduce poverty. The former is unlikely due to the politics here, but is what would be needed instead of feel-good gimmicks for publicly popular policing methods. The latter is unlikely to succeed, but they'll keep spending and trying.

Tranny_Saurus
Tranny_Saurus

I see what you did there... cheeky

doesn't seem like you suffer from a deficit in vernacular as much as you like to type in caps and distort reality, how dramatic

i.e. police brutality had NOTHING to do with this entire happening, you shouldn't just toss that word around, as people who have actually been subjected to it would laugh in your face at the comparison you've made .. equating a bunch of kids having their party shut down with some violent usurpation of personhood

jog on

whatever
whatever

People can try to politicze anything they want to, but that doesn't mean there's a logcal basis for it. The police union voted strongly to endorse Kearns, not Brown. It's possible whoever decided to shut down this event might be a supporter of Kearns, Brown, or neither.

300miles
300miles

Yes. Cancel your plans. That will show 'em. It's a well known fact that the BPD salaries are financed directly from labor-day chicken wing sales...

paul morgan
paul morgan

that's what i was trying to say.

and i raise another challenge....if there was indeed police misdeeds, then i hope all of you habitual typists will step away from your flat screens long enough to stage an effective protest, and then resolve to stick with your complaint until justice is done.

what am i saying? this is what happens when i spend too much time on this sight.... my brain goes all soft and gooey.

HereWeGo
HereWeGo

What a shame.

KEARNS.FOR.MAYOR!

KarlMalone
KarlMalone

Seems like a great opportunity to create a BR shirt to sell with the title logo of this story. Maybe a Buffalo MisUse shirt as well, create the shirts around the traffic posts and sell through/in your articlea, co'mon Newell. Think business

bud_boomer
bud_boomer

that was my point, but "similitude" said...

"My guess is that one of the neighbors who opose the new student housing proposed for the building tipped him off that there was a concert in progress."

which i hope is a joke, considering the fact i ride my bike by there frequenctly and there are no neighbors...

Perry
Perry

I just called Golombek's office wondering what the heck happened. Give 'em a call...let them know that you are watching. The squeaky wheel does get the grease.

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