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LA No Way: Don’t Let It Be The Bills | Buffalo Rising

LA No Way: Don’t Let It Be The Bills

For the past few years we’ve been forced to deal with “the Bills moving to Toronto” rumors, which are frightening enough.  One set of moving rumors is plenty.  Then there’s a rumor that the Bills are on a list of teams that could possibly be moving to LA.  Thanks, I’m full.

And then there’s this interview with billionaire Ed Roski, CEO of Majestic Realty, where he actually says things like “There are NFL franchises out there that want a world-class facility, that want this huge market, and I’m ready to give them that.”  Perhaps that’s true, but that statement has that crazy cat-lady “my 300 kitties are happy here” ring to it. 

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(THIS guy wants your team.)

The entire list, according to Roski, is comprised of San Francisco, Oakland, San Diego, Minnesota, Jacksonville, St. Louis, and Buffalo.  These are all teams, he believes, are having trouble financing a new facility, whether it’s because revenues are down or “fans are weary.”  Come to a tailgate on football Sunday in Orchard Park.  Do you see any “weariness” around?

Roski, who was a major player in the development and creation of LA’s Staples Center, wants to build the new NFL facility for use by 2013, for a pricetag of $800 million–none of which with taxpayer dollars–with 75,000 seats.  He just needs a commitment from an NFL team, and it will be “full-steam ahead.”  Until the stadium is done, the moving team will play at the Rose Bowl.

There are also rumors that the NFL already knows which team is moving, but has kept quiet on it.

With Ralph Wilson’s age and already persistent moving rumors, this just makes things scarier. 

You can have a team, LA, just not ours.

(Photo of Ed Roski, cover photo)

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31 comments
QueenCity
QueenCity

Looking at that picture of our Buffalo Football Stadium...we really do need a new stadium and this time it really does belong not downtown but within the city limits.

Personally, Id love to say to Lackawanna...you merge with Buffalo and we will put a new Bills stadium there! Its the perfect place...lots of empty former industrial land, close to Canada, still adds to our skyline but not so close to downtown that it wastes land and obstructs other developments for majority of time its not in use.

Do I think the Bills will move...well the thing that when Ralph Wilson dies...the naming rights for the stadium will be available to sell and thats a nice chunk of change to put into the pot for any negotiation to build a new stadium and keep the bills here.

Do I think the Bills will move...Id feel better if Tim Russert were with us...but there are enough media hogs that would love to threaten an anti-trust investigation of the football league if they force the move...plus there is quite a bit of support at the federal, state, county and regional levels that want this team here. Losing the Bills is becoming a loss for every metro area from Toronto to Syracuse...because the closest national football league is Cleveland, Pittsburgh and NJ....

sonyactivision
sonyactivision

Anschutz is based in Denver, not LA. Not that that matters but the multiple partner system can get messy, especially with the egos and bankrolls involved. Roski's share of the $400 million cost to build Staples Center is a far cry from the nearly $2 billion cost of bringing a team to LA without tapayer support. That's a pretty big nut to cover, especially in a recession, especially in California. Also, who would occupy all those skyboxes in a new stadium? DWP? Jay Leno? There aren't many companies in SoCal that haven't been merged, bought by asian investors, or just simply gone under. The tallest tower in Downtown LA sports the moniker of a bank from Portland OR, for heaven's sake!

Really?
Really?

@rpcolosi

No matter who buys the Bills they are moving. Unless the County wants to give away a free $800M stadium to the new owner.

The lowest valuation of the Bills I have found is $630M. Most put the Bills at $850M. There is no solution that includes the stadium in OP with a new owner that allows for the debt service involved.

Consider Gollisano purchased the Sabres for $92M in 2003 in bankruptcy. They are now valued at $163M. But still make a very small profit.

suburban_hillbilly
suburban_hillbilly

You are right on. Everyone is up in arms about the Bills moving to Toronto but honestly it beats the hell out of the alternative. If they are in Toronto we can be there in a couple hours. If they end up in California (like the Buffalo Braves) they will be completely out of reach. This L.A. scenario makes the Toronto move look much better. No matter how you cut it, when Ralph dies, the Bills in Buffalo is no longer viable unless his family opts to keep the team and keep them here. From what I have heard, the family has zero interest in doing that and they stand to gain much through the sale of the team. When Ralph passes the Bills are most likely gone. Luxury suites are only a component of revenue. The Bills in are viable in Buffalo without the high price suites but that revenue needs to be offset by ticket sales, merchandise, etc. Are there any good players in China? Can we can pull a Yao Ming or Hideki Matsui to make the Bills "China's Team" If we sign a Chinese guy it guarantees millions in jersey sales in China. Unless Ralph gives the team away, the new owner will move them to a richer market. Hopefully UB will continue to improve and we can become a big college football town.

rpcolosi
rpcolosi

most likely going to be a California team. Both the Raiders and Chargers would be likely candidates. As far as I know the Chargers still haven't gotten a new stadium, though I have a strange feeling Al Davis would love to move the raiders BACK to LA again, especially if it lines his pockets anymore. Jacksonville will move before buffalo (assuming Ralph is alive). Minnesota is getting a new facility so cross them off the list, though their owner has hard times paying his monthly "mortgage" on the loan for the team.

The bills will be toronto bound, unless we get someone like Golisano, the Riches and Jacobs to all put together a 1billion bid for the team to keep it here. They may never make a ton on it, but they aren't going to lose money either.

georged
georged

You are absolutly right assaroni. For those who keep saying that the Bills are going no where-you are delusional. Right now the Bills can charge the lowest price for tickets and generate nothing from cororate boxes and still make a profit. The reason why is Wilson has no overhead, the team is paid for.

When he dies and then sells, the new owner will need to make much more in profit. This would mean a new state of the art stadium with luxury boxes, higher ticket prices, and a winning product. You really think a new owner would risk this on a city wth no corporate presence, a dying popultion, and a fan base that doesn't have the money to sell PSLs? I doubt it, and please stop with the Jim Kelly talk. Just lok at his recored in owning business, etc. Why would this clown even be involved in any kind of ownership?

assaroni
assaroni

Also, the Suite revenue is non existent in Buffalo, especially in this economy. Luxury suites here go for less than $80,000 for the entire season, whereas Dallas gets $1.4 million just to start, going all the way up to $8 million per season. We just cant get that kind of revenue in this area or that stadium here in BUffalo

assaroni
assaroni

obviously noone here knows Roski. He and Philip Anschutz own the Kings, Staples Center and most of the Railroad and Fiber Optics lines laid next to them around the entire US. He is a multi Billionaire with the cash to support the debt service on the BIlls, who have the lowest ticket prices in the NFL. The LA Bills are not an illusion...California IOU's might be a better name however

QueenCity
QueenCity

No doubt they will invest a sci-fi stasis chamber to keep Ralph Wilson alive in perpetuity.

I think the days of moving teams are over...I dont know how but I do believe enough of a stink will be made...and the Bills will stay in Buffalo after Wilson.

No, I dont Toronto wants the Bills because they have a Canadian Football League that would collapse if their Toronto team converted to the US League....that is not to say Toronto doesnt want some Buffalo games.

dgoshilla
dgoshilla

Here is Majestic's phone and fax. Go to town on this!

Phone: 562.692.9581 • Fax: 562.695.2329

As someone who lives in LA its bad enough seeing they might try and take my Bills but moving any team to the City of Industry is like the Bills deciding to build another stadium in Orchard Park. I think we've all come to love going to games there but we all know a city stadium is needed.

Really?
Really?

I think the difference with Roski and his plan is that he is a real estate developer. His project would be a series of developments on a large plot of land. Not just a stadium. It would be a mixture of several items.

Of course, his company would develop it all and the value of the who project would be upgraded from the football facility.

I think that is why his numbers may work. Who knows...

sin|ill
sin|ill

Metro Areas (wikipedia) 2006:

jacksonville:

- Metro 1,313,228

buffalo

- Metro 1,254,066

DOC
DOC

Let 'em try. I dare them to. The BILLS aren't going anywhere.

Wolffman
Wolffman

The Jaguars are a joke. They're usually a playoff team, and fail to sell out a majority of they're games. And Jacksonville as a city is MUCH larger than Buffalo. The issue with them is that they're a new team (formed in the '90s) and have difficulty drawing fans away from the Falcons, Dolphins and even the Buccs. But mostly the Dolphins.

The only thing that will keep the Bills is town is a new stadium. I'm sure Toronto has enough money to build a massive stadium fit for an NFL team, because the SkyDome really isn't.

sonyactivision
sonyactivision

$800 million for a team and $1 billion for a new stadium. Either Roski is richer than Eli Broad, Kirk Kirkorian, or a half a dozen other mega-billionaires that failed to land an NFL franchise in cash-strapped LA or he's another bullsh*tting big talker. Let him try.

sin|ill
sin|ill

i'd like to see it around the Canal District (moving the casino). There's enough space a small footprint urban stadium and a small convention center (which can be expandable by using the stadium itself). the metro already goes there (ending in the DLW warehouses).

Scottwf
Scottwf

We need to keep Ralph alive forever or convince him to sell the team while he's still kicking. If not...we are screwed.

Maybe we can pull a "Weekend at Bernie's" type move...just prop Ralph up in the box every sunday...fool people into thinking that he's still alive.

South Buffalo Drifter
South Buffalo Drifter

The Falls wouldn't be a good place for the stadium unless you leveled the entire city and started over. I still think a waterfront or downtown Buffalo stadium would be awesome. Not that it would ever happen. A guy can dream right???

STEEL
STEEL

Here is the ironic beauty in the Bills situation. The day Ralph croaks there would be interest in the Bills by Toronto interests which means the LA people would have to enter a bidding war which would make the Bills expensive which means that the cost of the high priced team plus a stadium pretty much rules out an LA move for the Bills.

O'Brien
O'Brien

I believe that most of the NFL franchises are part of the relocation speculation. I heard about the relocation of teams from San Diego, Seattle, Arizona, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Jacksonville, Tampa, Philadelphia, and even Miami, over the past year. The talk radio and media chatter is the same in these cities as it is in Buffalo. They are all afraid of losing their teams to the next city with more money and less dedicated fans. The arguments for and against are almost always identical. At the end of the day, it is up to all team owners to determine whether or not a team will move, all the clamouring fans do little to help with the decision process. That said, I highly recommend we send some people to sleep on billboards, protest in front of the stadium, and hold their breath until the turn blue. Nothing says dedicated to my team like a protesting fan!

DMZ
DMZ

I think that the Bills are farther down the list then most people expect. The stadium builders/future owner will take any franchise, but the NFL will be a little more careful on who they let move. It also helps out that the Commish is from WNY. If they do get a new stadium it will have to be a dome so they can make it more multi-use facility and try to get more sporting events here. I'm also a fan of having it downtown. I think we're all getting a little nervous becasue Ralf's so old. Of course all this could be avoided if the team was actually good.

Really?
Really?

@DMZ

Good point on the division realignment.

I am not sure LA is going to take Oakland back however. Too much bad blood with Al Davis IMO. But having a Super Bowl in SoCal IS something the NFL wants.

As to your theory of leverage, are you suggesting that Buffalo will get a new stadium at some point? All of your examples end with major upgrades or new facilities. I am not sure I see the same ending in Buffalo.

lastcall
lastcall

There are plenty of similiarities with the situation in LA to Buffalo. While fan support wasn't crazy in LA, they did draw better than people think. The Raiders averaged 60,000/game over their last 11 years in LA and the Rams were right around 50,000. A major reason for both teams moving was that they wanted newer stadiums and suite revenue. The LA Coliseum and Rose Bowl were hardly new at the time. The reason I bring this up is because the Bills are not ever going to leave Buffalo for attendance purposes. If they leave, it will be for a new stadium and millions of dollars in suite revenue....the sames reason teams left LA in the first place

chevy064
chevy064

So tired of all the "moving" talk. It consumes everyone and makes it nearly impossible to enjoy being a fan.

DMZ
DMZ

It must be time for the annual "the Bills are moving conversation", which can be heard daily on wgr550. If you remember 9 years ago the Pats were threatening to move to Connecticut, then there was talks of Indy moving to LA, of course N.O. was going to move, but Katrina may have actually helped them save their team becasue they got money for repairs and updates to the Dome, AZ was a big threat until they got their new stadium. See a trend here? The NFL is in the stadium building business. I actually think that Oakland will move back to LA. There's also a possibility the Chargers will move as well. Both teams have older stadiums, local fan bases, and it wouldn't require any division realignment.

Really?
Really?

As someone who lives in San Diego, I think the Chargers moving to LA is much more of a possibility than Buffalo. There are a couple of reasons:

1 - If the Chargers were to move to the LA, depending on the location of the stadium, you could get a 2-4-1 in LA and San Diego fans. The Chargers are inked a deal to market in LA this spring. If the Bills were to move west, you have to win over fans in Southern California that already root for the Chargers because there is no team in LA.

2 - San Diego is very active in looking for a new stadium deal, whereas with the Bills it is mostly speculation. The Chargers have a 3 month window to leave the day after the Super Bowl in 2010. The Bills have publicly stated they will not move or be sold until Ralph Wilson passes away. I think and hope the first date will come first.

3 - The Tor-Buff-Chester region, or whatever people want to call it, is a MAJOR population center. It is similar size to the LA-Orange County-San Diego region but with less people. I do not see the NFL wanting to leave the first region only to put 2 teams in the latter.

In the end, I still think it is a 50/50 shot the Bills leave but I do not see it being to LA. I see it being to somewhere in Ontario CA. The NFL simply will not walk away from that many fans IMO.

sin|ill
sin|ill

Good point. They've had the Rams, Raiders, AND Chargers. All three left. The fans didn't even show up until after halftime.

gqcarrick
gqcarrick

Football never does good in LA. LA only cares about UCLA and Southern Cal, thats it. They are a college town. There is a reason why the Rams and the Raiders both left the number 2 TV market, because fans weren't going to games. Buffalo has tons of fans going to game and buying merchandise, but we don't charge an arm and a leg for the right to sit in a seat. Nothing is more outrageous than what the Cowboys and Giants do with personal seat licenses, you have to buy a personal seat license then buy a ticket to the game too, what a ripoff.

5to81ALLDAY
5to81ALLDAY

Jim Kelly and investmenr friends...please pull through!

or how about golisano sell the sabres, someone else buy it, and he takes the Bills!?! He sure can afford it!

And move the stadium to niagara falls, NY. Stimulate their economy, revamp the area, make it easier for canadiens to get to the games, and give fans/visitors another reason to be in the area... THE FALLS!

sin|ill
sin|ill

Jacksonville is about the same market size, and they have to keep covering ENTIRE blocks of their stadium with tarp because they can't give the tickets away. Seems like it should be the Jaguars who would make the move. Oddly enough, their stadium is obviously based on the Ralph in its design.

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